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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago (52 children)

It's the money. Campaigns are increasingly expensive by design. That and Citizens United basically made it so moneyed interests never have to worry about grassroots ever again. That's (very tangentially) why the internet is also getting so unpleasant, I think, to poison the discourse. If people were nice to each other all the time, we'd band together more easily. Paid trolls exist for a reason.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would be awesome to get a link to a news source as opposed to a Twitter screenshot.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (18 children)

Everyone knows the democrats will do this every time. “Vote blue no matter who” is a crock of shit and every single person who gives you shit for not voting for Harris and her shitty campaign that pandered to the right and Israel can be directed to party leadership’s behavior here and in New York

If they can run the risk of handing over mayorships to republicans because the “blue” candidate isn’t correctly blue then logically I can say I’m not going to back any genocide enabling, insider trading, corporate slaves who will sell out any marginalized group to keep their entrenched power (see newsoms pandering anti trans bullshit to charlie kirk).

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 days ago (124 children)

"Vote blue no matter who" is a direct result of FPTP voting. Until that's fixed, yeah keep voting blue...if there isn't a more progressive candidate.

We need a viable third party and the time to start one was November 6, 2024. We're past the point to make a dent in the midterms (assuming we have elections) but we have time to run progressive candidates.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The time to do something different always seems to be some other time than now.

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[–] illustriousPark265@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm bracing myself for downvotes / banning, but I'm posting (from Minneapolis) to provide some context.

A more extensive, contemporaneous description of the convention is here, and the NY Times article geneva_conveniencel later linked explains a bit more.

My understanding / the short version is that the convention was very disorganized / poorly run, and didn't follow its own rules. Frey's campaign / delegates noticed irregularities right away, raised concerns (now found to be justified) that were dismissed, and ended up walking out in protest. It was understood that Frey wasn't likely to actually win the nomination, but could have feasibly prevented any endorsement (which Minneapolis DFL hasn't given since 2009).

My take is that Minneapolis DFL, whether from incompetence, or improper bias in favor of Fateh, or a conspiracy of Frey supporters in leadership that just wanted to provide grounds to invalidate the results, really fucked up here. Maybe Fateh could have still won the endorsement if all the ballots in the first round were counted, but we'll never know, because the second round would have been different. As it stands, I presume this is costing Fateh's campaign a bunch of money to reprint campaign signs/materials, pull ads, etc, that cited the endorsement.

I don't doubt that the establishment democrats would have found other things to complain about if Fateh had properly won this endorsement, but this was definitely not clean/proper, so withdrawing the endorsement is an appropriate course of action.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I would recommend you actually do some research before you try typing a long post trying to explain to people what's going on.

From my understanding, this is not the fault of Fateh, but of the Democratic Party themselves, screwing up the excel sheet of one guy who probably didn't even matter.

Claiming this is a valid reason to throw the entire victory of the democratic socialists overboard seems outrageous.

The entire election process was already set up, super confusing, which seems to be done on purpose to prevent less wealthy candidates from running.

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