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i want to remotely ssh to my home server, and I was wondering if I could just forward port 22 with disabling password login and use pubkey authentication will be safe enough?

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[โ€“] tanjera@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Port forwarding opens an attack surface- whatever service you're exposing is the "attack surface" so make sure it's secure.

disabling password login

This is absolutely a very strong/good hardening first-step.

pubkey authentication

Hell yeah. Very strong. Just keep that key safe (don't post it on the Internet, put it somewhere insecure or public, etc. Also recommended to password protect the key for extra safety.

Additional steps you could take if you were worried: two-factor authentication, usually easy to setup and effective. Fail2ban or other IP blockers, takes more work and setup. Rate-limiting is a basic feature most ssh services have (e.g. more than 3 failed attempts = 5 minute lockout).

But honestly keys-only, IMHO, is the safest ๐Ÿ‘

[โ€“] s3r3ng@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

First of all don't expose a machine on your LAN unless it is very well locked down especially with respect to ability to access rest of LAN. To simply access home LAN set up home VPN that has the access instead of opening up a port as powerful as ssh. If you open ssh then put it at some other port than the well known 22 and make it accessible by authorized key only. I would further limit where this ssh can be accessed from using firewall rules.

[โ€“] Gabe_Isko@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly? Would not recommend it. Probably no one breaking in soon, but there are just constantly tons of botnets portscanning 22 over the whole IP range. You should at least think of switching ports, but I usually recommend at least having a vpn for ssh.

[โ€“] eirsik@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

SSH exposed with key auth and not password is fine. It is the exact purpose of SSH after all. Also there are milions of web servers out there with exposed SSH because a lot of their users prefer to work with SSH and CLI instead of a web UI. Big hosts such as GoDaddy, BlueHost, Hostgate and so on, all expose their SSH. You don't see their servers crash and burn every week.

[โ€“] JB1712@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Should be safe enough to do this but Iโ€™ll throw in one potential caveat. Say that you one day somehow need to troubleshoot your ssh server and have to re-enable password authentication. Depending on how many other services you plan to run, it can be easy to suddenly forget you have port 22 exposed on the outside and someone could potentially break in if you use a weak password. This is why I personally host only necessary https content over port 443 to the world. I host anything else so only my wireguard vpn can access it. As for bots hitting port 22 on the outside can be another huge problem. Changing the port can disuade some but remember that the port number is only two bytes in size. A comprehensive port scan only takes a very short amount of time to complete. This, in my humble opinion, creates an extra point of access for you to remember for not that much to gain. That all being said, forwarding key protected ssh is safe enough to do.

[โ€“] highedutechsup@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[โ€“] speculatrix@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I've opened port 22 to specific IPv4 addresses, like my employer's, friends and family.

For any other IPv4 origin, its best to set up a VPN. It's trivial to set up wireguard.

You're probably safe to open port 22 for IPv6, as the address space is unfeasibly large to be scanned, but still, the secops in me doesn't like security by obscurity, so I don't. Also, there's evidence that hackers use things like IPv6 access logs on NTP to find accessible devices to target.

[โ€“] Prof-Mmaa@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I keep ssh on port 80, multiplexed with usual HTTP traffic thanks to sslh. Basically it's a protocol switchboard what detects what kind of traffic reaches your server and forwards it to appropriate service. It can distinguish between SSH/HTTP/OpenVPN and a few more.

Pros? Security wise probably nothing more that SSH already offers, but port 80 is rarely (if ever) blocked on other networks and having SSH on port that is non-standard and obscured, cuts way down on random attempts to guess the user/password combination.

[โ€“] blackstar2043@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

This is my current hardened sshd configuration.

ssh/sshd_config: https://pastebin.com/7tH36TdJ

  • Public key authentication and 2fa using oathtool are used to authenticate.
  • Logging in is only possible for members of the 'ssh-user' group.
  • "root" login is disabled through "PermitRootLogin", "DenyGroups", and "DenyUsers".
  • "restricted" has the ability to log in from any host.
  • "user" is limited to using the internal network to log in.
  • 'admin' can only log in when connected via WireGuard.
  • "sftp" may login, but only uses the sftp server. There is no shell available.

pam.d/sshd: https://pastebin.com/eqkisf4F

  • All successful pre-2FA logins will trigger the 'ssh-login-alert', which sends an NTFY alert containing the time, date, user, and host IP.
  • The use of /etc/users.deny prevents root login.
  • The use of /etc/users.allowed permits login by "restricted", "user", "admin" and "sftp".
  • 2FA and ssh-login-alert trigger do not apply to "sftp"
[โ€“] billiarddaddy@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Move it to a four digit port on your router and port for to 22 internally.

[โ€“] marbonmb@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I know that some VPN are able to create private networks for devices logged with your account. For exemple nordvpn is able to connect your devices into their "mesh network" and make your devices available through the VPN. I think it's better than exposing a ssh service on Internet, even with a lot of protections!

[โ€“] dev_all_the_ops@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Port forwarding will work, but it has major downsides

  1. Will draw attention of bots
  2. Secure as long as there are no security holes in openssh (which is rare but has happened)
  3. You _must_ harden the ssh server by disabling password auth, putting behind fail2ban

There are far better and safer alternatives that I would recommend over exposing a raw port to the world.

  1. Tailscale
  2. Wireguard/OpenVPN
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[โ€“] Ok_Size1748@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Port knocking could be useful here

[โ€“] gentooxativa@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is always better to randomize your ssh port, you will be safe from some scans

[โ€“] foomatic999@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Using a non-standard port for SSH doesn't make it safer but it greatly reduces noise in your logs. If you only use it yourself, change the port.

[โ€“] ripnetuk@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I would risk it. After all, it's the only thing protecting my entire gitlab account. If someone could break my ssh, they could do what they want to my gitlab presence,and I'm guessing someone at gitlab is paid and qualified to make that call.

[โ€“] returnofblank@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

A VPN will always be better for this purpose, but as long as you properly secure your SSH server, shouldn't be a problem

[โ€“] mshorey81@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Most likely it's fine. Though it's not terribly difficult to set up some flavor of VPN so you're not exposing 22 at all outside your network. Personally I use Wireguard.

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[โ€“] Swanners@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would not do this, people port scan all the time and thats an easy one to look for. Try using an at home vpn like openvpn or in the very least change the ssh port to something odd like 6854 or whatever.

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[โ€“] InevitableArm3462@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I recommend implementing a VPN (wireguard is working very well for me) and through that do ssh

[โ€“] InfaSyn@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

With PubKey and Fail2Ban its probably ok but wouldnt chance it personally. Can you use a different port too?

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