Firefox updates vs me : memes

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Browsers have important security updates so it's always a good idea to keep them up to date.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Same as OSs, but with Linux you choose when to update. Why would be browsers different?

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Funny enough when I update through Linux and don't pay attention to whether Firefox is included I'll have Firefox refuse to open any new tabs because its files got overwritten while it's running. At that point it forces you to restart which I guess is better than just crashing.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Idk about your is. Fedora sends me notifications to update and prompts to do so on shutdown.

The problem is that traditionally, Linux distro didn't just update the OS, but also applications like libre office. So you couldn't download an is update without updating your apps, which you might not want to always do

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Idk about your is. Fedora sends me notifications to update and prompts to do so on shutdown.

The problem is that traditionally, Linux distro didn't just update the OS, but also applications like libre office. So you couldn't download an is update without updating your apps, which you might not want to always do

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Thats how Gemini got shoved into my system

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Agree, in Vivaldi there are a lot of security updates, but one thing are security updates, bug fixes or even browser updates in general and way different from updates where are appearing things and AIs which nobody wanted or requested. This is a no-go. In Vivaldi new features are which where requested by the users and first released as soprano preview or snapshot versions, before there is an stable release. There are no surprises.

[+] Valso@lemmy.ml -7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

No. That's the brainwashing talking. By keeping you scared about your security, all browser developers keep you under their complete control. And with that they impose their views on what your browser should look like/behave like. But most of the time they simply remove or change options - some are visibly removed/changed, others are either hidden or in about:config and are locked, so that you can't use them or are just rendered inoperable. Security updates are just the excuse to impose their will on you. I had it enough of Mozilla's constant chopping the browser off, so I moved to Waterfox which brings back all options Mozilla ever removed and then some. But by the time you remember that the browser is supposed to serve you, not the other way around, it will be too late.

[–] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Software has bugs.
Bugs which interface with and execute untrusted code are high risk.
Browsers are obscenely large pieces of software, which connect a user's system with random websites which execute JavaScript.

Browsers are one of the most important things to update on your computer.

We can talk about whether browsers should be as complicated as they are, but implying security updates are a intended as a vector of control is conspiricist thinking.

The reason you don't get security updates backported to your older release of choice is simple: it is so much work.

Waterfox seems like a good choice, just don't go around thinking that companies are making security updates in order to sneak in unwanted, they make security updates because they are terrified of being responsible for a major incident.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for writing this for me.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Firefox is open source. Outdated open source is dangerous (even more than outadred closed source IMO) because people can literally look at the code and find every single bug. Even if they use security updates to roll out features or antifeatures, there are also security patches. And once those are out, now the entire world knows about the bug (because they can see the source changes). If you stay out of date, you are exposed. That simple

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Also, updates to open source projects document the exploit being fixed and may even have automated tests written for it. You could literally just piece the tests together into an exploit.

[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Kind reminder your browser is the piece of software you use the most in your computer.

You should keep it updated.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

And it's the thing executing untrusted code from who the hell knows where.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah.
When I allow it. Not when it wants to!

[Insert Hades "I OWN YOU" meme]

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I always yell my name as I am slapped too.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Me vs Samsung's bloatware updates

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why is there blood? Does Batman slap Robin bloody? 😧

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Recommend Icefox as a replacement.

Everything works, but no AI BS.

[–] machiavellian@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you mean GNU Icecat? Or Waterfox?

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Holy shit, thank you, i've been using Linux, so icecat, but for windows I meant to say waterfox

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

You can just choose to not turn on the AI?

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In Vivaldi updates always wanted by the user.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

I am just now trying out Vivaldi on mobile, if I like it I'll put in on my Linux laptop.

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

PSA: ForkServer in Firefox 141: No More Restarts and Better Performance on Linux

[–] Valso@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've seen those messages but I've always ignored them. I restart whenever I decide, not when Mozilla wants me to. 😆

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