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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kinda gross how obvious it is that some people don’t actually believe that certain actions are bad because they inherently violate personhood or your moral beliefs, but because they were done to them. And that the real desirable thing is to use it against The Enemy, not to eliminate it altogether.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I have sympathy for the position. It's easy to get frustrated by an "enemy" who is already dehumanizing you and wishes to remove you from society for existing openly as you are. It can be damn hard to not sink to the same level of thinking... but it's part of why we had trials at Nuremberg and we took the time to treat the monsters with the human dignity they deserved and would deny to others. We didn't just hang them all by their necks because we knew they were Nazis and that was enough, they were given trials because holy fuck it matters. (There is a valid argument to be made that we didn't have enough trials for enough Nazis) Further, it helped solidify our understanding of fascism and what leads to fascism... a lack of empathy. If we allow ourselves to completely lose our empathy for those who strike against us (especially those who are uneducated and have essentially been tricked and deceived into their positions, which are the majority) we will eventually become just as monstrous as them.

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[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I agree! I've been trying to brainstorm how one can sort of effectively do the opposite of those dehumanizing incel memes.

We really need some viral empathy.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago

Take the pope's words to JD Vance, "love doesn't have a budget, you try to love everyone as hard as you can" (paraphrasing)

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[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Notable exception: "Not men. Fascists."

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 30 points 3 days ago

Meanwhile, C level executives at companies that fund fascists and genocide:

Mountainhead (2025)

[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yes, this includes the group of people that you want to dehumanize as well. Humanity isn't something you can take away, it's an inherent aspect of a species. You can say "fascists aren't human", or "pigs aren't mammals" and they are equally false statements.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

Exactly. We don't punch Nazis because they're not people. Cats aren't people and we don't punch them. We punch Nazis because they're Nazis.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I hate ideas, I hate institutions, I hate organizations, and I hate systems, but I do not hate people.

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