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Following weeks of silence by women's organizations and international bodies, UN secretary-general says issue needs to be 'vigorously investigated'; Israel's UN envoy: 'When it comes to Israeli women, sexual violence that has been proven and determined by state authorities still needs to be investigated'

Against the backdrop of widespread anger in Israel over the silence of women's organizations and international bodies regarding the severe sexual violence used by Hamas terrorists against women in the attack on October 7, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres announced Thursday that these actions must be thoroughly investigated.

“There are numerous accounts of sexual violence during the abhorrent acts of terror by Hamas on 7 October that must be vigorously investigated and prosecuted,” Guterres wrote on the X platform

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[–] gribodyr@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s so ridiculous how one of the commenters here normalizes the HAMAS terrorist attack with their uncovered whataboutism.

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hamas is not an acronym.

The whataboutism is valid, because most of the "anti Hamas" crowd would excuse these acts as self defense if they were done by the other Terrorist organization.

[–] honeyhunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The self defense rapes? Wtf?

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're already defending the self defense mass arrests with no charges, the self defense tear gassing of people praying in mosques, the self defense punishing Palestinians for killing a lunatic who killed 20 of them while they were praying, and many other products of self defense™.

I haven't even gotten to the acts that are getting excused by the 7th of October attack. So yes; I wouldn't be surprised if I woke up tomorrow and found the self defense rapes looking me in the face.

[–] gribodyr@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Dude, I just don’t understand. For every action there is a reaction, right? You have a solution how to separate wolves from the sheep? Go ahead and pitch it. Otherwise, stop spreading this whataboutism. There was a terrorist attack. It cannot be dismissed. The responsible for it must be punished. You must blame the terrorists for what is happening to the people in Gaza.

Research the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You either don’t understand, or you are paid to spread what you say.

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[–] mawkishdave@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Well if the UN is doing it we all know nothing will get done.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Investigation into Israeli war crimes when?

Investigation into on-going occupier (err “settler”) violence when?

Investigation into 6k dead Palestinian children when?

Let’s investigate all sides.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm assuming you aren't aware of the UN having investigated Israeli war crimes in 2009 which was highly regarded by the Middle Eastern delegates specifically for its having investigated and reported on the war crimes of both sides of the conflict.

You might also be unaware that the investigation was originally chartered to only look at and investigate Israeli war crimes, the very opposite of what you seem to think is the UN's position in their investigations. As the delegate to the HRC from Lebanon put it (regarding the involvement of the lead investigator who had also been the UN's lead prosecutor of war crimes in Yugoslavia and Rawanda):

He rejected the first mandate of the Human Rights Council for the Fact-Finding Mission because it called for investigation of violations committed only by Israel. He did not accept that assignment until his request to expand the mandate to include all violations of human rights and international humanitarian law which were committed in the context of the military operations conducted in Gaza was granted.

Unless the UN has changed dramatically in the past decade, they'll definitely be investigating Israeli war crimes.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Asking for accountability when war crimes and a genocide is being overlooked isn’t “whataboutism”. Maybe you’d know that if you knew what the term actually meant.

[–] BellaDonna@mujico.org 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think this is whataboutism, and actually, even if it is, you're using it to deflect a good point. All things that could be considered 'war crimes' should be investigated for all parties.

It's called being fair, and it's a reasonable position.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago
[–] kromem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most people commenting seem not to know that the UN a little over a decade ago did in fact investigate both sides and reported on war crimes from both Hamas and Israel.

So comments like "when will the UN investigate Israeli war crimes" have an answer of both "in 2009" and "given historical precedent, yeah they likely will investigate both."

In fact, the 2009 investigation was initially only chartered to look at Israeli war crimes before being broadened to look at all crimes from any side of the conflict.

The announcement of investigating sexual violence in a given attack isn't occurring in a bubble, even if users jumping in to represent "their side" aren't aware of the broader context before commenting.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Equal protection of human rights is not whataboutism and any operator who engages in this type of misinformation is a puppet of the colonial regime