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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 hours ago

Judge Judy and executioner.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 21 hours ago

Anyone still deluded into thinking he's not a dictator yet?

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

So now he's trying the Duterte flavor of dictatorship.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

SCOTUS has given POTUS (not just Cheeto chimp) immunity. Of course Trump will do whatever he wants.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 155 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

Eat shit NYT, fuck this sanewashing bullshit. "Raises the question"my ass! He absolutely does not have the authority because the law fucking says so! Why does the media bend over fucking backward to lick their own assholes by acting like these are even questions to be answered‽ They have completely abdicated their duty as journalistic media. "Fourth estate" absolute bullshit capitulation to rogue powers with dictatorial intent.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 day ago

Because the media is owned by billionaires so they want to push for anything which expands their power and control

[–] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Extra judicial killings are bread and butter for US presidents, made really popular by Obama.

This is of course fucked, but there are clear precedents for presidents killing any one, including US citizens, they name a terrorist.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

The deaths from Obama's drones were no less judicial than the deaths from Bush's troops, both were carried out within the definition of the 'war on terror', which was approved by Congress.

Trump's strike on that Venezuelan boat was outside of the approved scope.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Obama killed US citizens who were in Al-Qaida and ISIS training camps. I'd have done the same. Those fuckers are fair game.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

US citizens are innocent until proven guilty. We do not allow our leaders to Proclaim guilt and execute even if it is overseas. We should have the same policy for foreigners as well. Anybody who thinks they can trust our politicians and leaders to execute people based on their own reasoning is quite mistaken.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

We should have the same policy for foreigners as well.

So when we were storming the beaches of Normandy, we should have put each Nazi soldier shooting at us on trial first?

Or going back a bit further, what about those Confederate soldiers? They were all US citizens, even if they claimed otherwise.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You got it all wrong. Extra judicial killings outside the US are Gucci. Inside the US you're only allowed judicial killings and obvious 'suicides'.

[–] gigiocor@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Show me where it was allowed to kill George Floyd then...

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

That was a police force, not the Fed. The Police are allowed to judiciously kill within the US. The Fed is allowed to judiciously kill outside the US.

Sheesh man, learn geography. And sarcasm.

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck everyone who clapped back at me when I said Bush and Obama’s extrajudicial killings would come back to bite us.

Habeas corpus for all.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Bush and Obama had the legal cover of the original Congressional AUMF from 2001. That has now finally fully expired.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

No they did not. They started wars all over the place but simply did not call them wars. All without congressional approval.

Trump can do this so easily because they made it possible to kill anyone deemed a terrorist. All Trump had to was expand the definition of terrorism to include drug dealers.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Yeah well Trump has the legal cover of "I can do whatever the fuck I want" immunity which has fully not expired. Worst case they just tell him he can't kill people like 3 years after he killed a bunch of people and he just says "no."

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When have Americans ever given a single fuck about Latin Americans? Except to overthrow their governments when they goddam feel like it. Trump murdered some rando Latinos on a tiny boat with an outboard motor with like, an aircraft carrier, and broadcast it online. Americans literally give absolutely zero fucks if he does illegal shit to them, why would they care if he annihilates brown people.

The US is a rogue fascist country.

[–] Suburbanl3g3nd 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait, what? I haven't heard about this.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It was within the last day or two. Near Venezuela. They blew up a boat they claim was smuggling drugs. They didn't even attempt to board it, just shot a missile and killed seven people.

Rubio and Trump were bragging about it.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 45 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The fact that so much shit has happened and it's still the early days of the 2nd Trump administration is depressing.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

Can you believe it hasn't even been 8 months since he was sworn in

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just how many kids did he rape??? Now he's KILLING PEOPLE in order to detract from the Epstein files!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you forgot that Trump just likes killing people, regardless of the Epstein files.

Bill Barr literally had to dangle death row inmates he could put to death in front of Trump like keys for a baby to get him to focus on certain things. Literally having to bribe him with murdering people to get him to pay attention.

Trump would be doing this anyway, don't give him weak excuses like he's trying to cover something up. He is a fucking monstrous person plain and simple.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

on the one hand, I hope dumpy is dying, and hopefully very painfully. on the other hand, I want to see him in prison. What do i wish for?

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some idiot in Houston decided he had a right to summarily execute a child for playing a harmless prank

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but he'll most likely go to jail for murder. Call me crazy but I don't think that will happen here.

[–] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

In Texas he'll probably get a quick draw award. Do you know how fast those kids run? Dude must have been chomping at the bit for years to end one of those quick, little fuckers.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, another country's leader thought that they had the right to summarily kill drug smugglers. He's currently in prison in The Hague awaiting trial for crimes against humanity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_of_Rodrigo_Duterte

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The US has credibly threatened to invade the Hague should any member of their armed forces be made to stand trial there. Ignoring them is a long long standing US tradition.

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does drug smuggling usually result in a death penalty if convicted? If not, then it shouldn't warrant execution without trial

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

Regardless the accused have a right to defend themselves in court, the authorities do not establish guilt juries do. In or out of the us, citizen or no.

Unless self defense, they are not calling that specifically to set precedent of extrajudicial killing with armed forces. Next stop stateside.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago

Even if it did, the trial bit is pretty important.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago

I'm not aware of the US imposing the death penalty for smuggling.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

speak for yourself.

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