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If you want the descriptions of what it was like just after the Atomic bombings in Hiroshima, the source I read got their excerpts from "To hell and back: last train to Hiroshima." [I think it's factually fine. The original book got retracted but I haven't seen anyone object to the second printing, and most of the issues related to the stories of the Enola Gay or the science and not the stories of victims].

As I was reading these horror stories, there was something in my mind that kept just weeping. This was a terrorist attack. Not just against the Japanese but against the whole world. Hundreds of thousands of people died, either instantly vaporized or agononizingly slowly over the course of hours to years. Elderly, women, children, disabled, and even Korean victims of Japanese slavery. All of that was done so the US could intimidate the world [more specifically, the USSR]. It wasn't an unfortunate sacrifice, it wasnt a mistake. It was an act of pure and unfettered terrorism, that gets justified in schools and propaganda outlets.

And they wanted to do it again. Douglas MacArthur wanted to drop 50 along the Korean-chinese border, Eisenhower (or people in the government associated with him at least) essentially threatened the chinese with the same thing. The soviets were threatened on a scale of thousands of hiroshimas before the Cuban missile crisis.

The way I felt when I was reading the accounts of these attacks was the same way I felt when reading about the Nanjing massacre. Almost incomprehensible horrors.

I get not a lot of people will disagree with me here but I just had to get it out because fuck I'm depressed

Edit:I forgot to add. I know this wasn't the worst crime during the war. I don't feel like ranking crimes against humanity but the crimes committed during the Holocaust and the Japanese war of aggression in China were obviously worse. I just wanted to say that because occasionally I get accused of being one of those "Japan [as a whole] is a victim" people

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I get not a lot of people will disagree with me here

Yeah, i think you're preaching to the choir here. At least for my part, i completely agree with you on this.

I just wanted to say that because occasionally I get accused of being one of those "Japan [as a whole] is a victim" people

Japan's own incredibly horrific crimes don't change the fact that the US dropping the nuclear bombs was a terrorist act and a crime against humanity. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Today Banderite Nazis are regularly shelling Russian civilians purely to inflict terror. Russia still doesn't respond in kind, because no crime justifies committing atrocities against civilians.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I mean it's an ongoing act of terror that has held the world in its grip ever since. The post "we could die in a nuclear war" world is fundamentally not the same as the world before. I would say it's not dissimilar to climate change that way. It represents an existential threat to the entire species.

Japan did terrible things at home and abroad, but that doesn't mean civilians in Japan deserve to have been slaughtered. But if anyone is going to use that kind of reasoning, of course it would be the US who would push it, the same country that on a regular basis since, uses atrocity propaganda to justify massacring large portions of another country's people and destroying their infrastructure.

The history of it is pretty clear, that the war was all but over already. The US had already brutally bombed tons of Japanese cities, including the firebombing of Tokyo. There was no need for it but racism and intimidation. Then they went on to do similar horrors in Korea, just without the nukes, and that one doesn't even have the excuse of "but Japan was doing bad stuff." Literally just an occupation and continuation of what Japan did to Korea. Which is an important point of connection there. The very country (the US) that supposedly did this bombing of Japan "for good" took over for Japan on brutalizing Korea. In general, the concept that the US was some kind of anti-fascist hero in WWII is utter horseshit. Probably some of its soldiers believed that, but the entity as a whole? No fucking way. Yet it tries to take credit in propaganda like it was, while simultaneously having been the biggest fascist, imperial force since.

[–] panopticon@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a pretty cut-and-dry warcrime/atrocity. Even if Japan had hypothetically somehow been directly responsible for every other atrocity committed between 1940-1945, collective punishment of a civilian population is still a crime and Truman is still a criminal.