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Germany updates: AfD tops poll with highest support ever (www.dw.com)

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[–] leriotdelac@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I believe the results mainly reflect the anti-immigration sentiment.

I'm a naturalized immigrant in Germany myself and don't understand the trend at all. I imagine that supporting certain immigration groups might stretch the social support system in the country, but it's the faulty of the system itself, no? I get the vibe that it's the immigrants who are the problem, and that we are somehow worse humans than the natives and set our minds on causing problems just for the fuck of it.

Can someone explain why immigration is a problem for Europe? It seem to be the good old xenophobia... Or maybe I'm biased.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

it's a "problem" just about everywhere right now, I'm in Canada and the anti-Indian rhetoric is through the roof here.

why? Because we're all collectively broke. If there wasn't an immigration issue, and we were still all collectively broke, then the blame would fall on the backs of people even poorer than us.

When the cost of living is unaffordable everywhere, when there's no housing anywhere, when jobs are hard to obtain the defacto fall back crutch is....blame the immigrants. History doesn't repeat but it sure as fuck rhymes.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

The anti Indian rhetoric is kind of warranted. Speak to one who immigrated years ago and ask what they think of the Indians coming here today and they will tell you why

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I keep saying it again and again, but this is the future of European politics. The "progressive" brand of politics that was very pro-immigration in the 2000s and 2010s is dead. The establishment parties that are choosing to cling to it are going to get burned by this gamble.

The reality is that Western Europe handled immigration horribly and there are real issues and people are facing real consequences. The reasonable course of action to address these issues and try to resolve them. However, establishment parties simply refuse to do anything. They either pretend these issues don't exist or that they're not that bad, and then blame any criticism of these issues or policies as racists. It is a stupid and elitist approach that is leading people to seek out alternatives.

What's the alternative? It's these far right parties, they're the only ones who address the issues of immigration and want to do something about them. The polls regularly show that these far right parties are entirely fueled by anti-immigration sentiment. That is why people flock to them and why they're relevant. Their prominence in European politics sends a loud statement as to the failures of the establishment parties. They're so incompetent and out of touch, that they're being bested by foreign funded grifter parties that offer worse policies and more extreme rhetoric.

But it doesn't have to be this way. These far right parties are only inevitable if the establishment parties double down on their mistakes. But what if they don't do that? What if they wise up and adapt to the current political climate, what would happen? Well there is a country who's establishment parties did this, and that's Denmark. It is the only Western European country where it's establishment left wing parties figured out the secret formula. They kept the popular economic and social policies, but also adopted a reasonable anti-immigration platform to match the will of the people, and guess what? It worked, Denmark doesn't have a far right party surging in the polls. They kept what worked, and fixed what didn't, thus leading them to neutralize the far right. This is the model that the rest of Europe is going to find itself adopting sooner or later.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A country should never give into its worst tendencies. There has been plenty of racism already, more isn't going to fix it and it won't fix you.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Equating reasonable immigration policy with racism is false and wrong. This is the mentality that the far right exploits to boost their popularity. If the left refuses to be practical and flexible on immigration policy, then their inability to adapt will be their downfall. Europe has to follow the Danish model or these far right parties will continue to grow in popularity and win elections... That's not a future I want to see

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"reasonable racism" rather than taxing the rich and providing for people. Cringe

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if you're intentionally being stupid or not, but Denmark isn't America. Denmark doesn't have massive untapped reserves of mega corporations or the giga billionaires that don't pay taxes and control a massive chunk of the country's wealth like the US. In fact, the opposite is true. Denmark has one of the lowest wealth and income inequality levels in the world. It's people already have one of the highest tax rates in the world, and the country is one of the most efficiently run. Denmark is at or near it's capacity, so where is this magical money going to come from?

Not to mention that there are way more issues with uncontrolled immigration than just economic. Large uncontrolled influxes of people lead to very real and serious social and political problems. Take a look at nearby Sweden and how they're having massive issues with skyrocketing crime rates fueled by second and third generation immigrants or nearby Germany whose immigrant populations aren't integrating very well which is leading to the AfD to dominate the polls.

Denmark figured out that listening to people like is a mistake. Reasonable immigration policy is not racist, and the country needs to properly address it's issues and reform it's immigration system to reflect the will of it's citizenry... like a functional democracy would. And you know what? They're better off for it. Denmark doesn't have radicalized immigrant communities, it doesn't have a homegrown far right movement, integration and assimilation aren't as big of issues as elsewhere in Western Europe, and they have kept their economic policies, progressive values, and social cohesion in tact.

This is the issue with people like you, you reject practical policies in favor of nonsensical ideological drivel. You have no idea what's going on and what you're proposing doesn't even reflect reality, but that won't stop from making confidently incorrect declarations.

[–] germanichwurst@feddit.org 0 points 5 days ago

We should scoop in your throat imo. You're too dumb to realize your policy destroys life. My wife is threated like a second class citizen and according to some racist retards like yourself i don't have the right to sponsor her visa. Some well meaning white wingers reached the threshold just now, for the same reason as you, "reasonable immigration".

You have no idea what's fucking going on scumbag

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 6 days ago

Maybe you are agreeing, but it's unclear.

Adopting a reasonable immigration policy isn't giving into their worst tendencies, it's dealing with a situation in a responsible manner, so that extremists don't fill the vacuum with THEIR unreasonable solutions.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's a whole lot of words to try and justify racism.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Reasonable immigration policy is not racism, you're a part of the problem that's fueling the far right.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"reasonable racism"

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Why is the far right surging in the polls"

This mentality is your answer

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Just so everyone knows what 'reasonable' immigration policies Denmark has that this guy is touting, they're all hardline far-right immigration policies.

Highlights include stealing all valuables from asylum seekers and leaving them with literally fucking nothing to 'justify paying for their stay,' rejecting asylum applicants if their specific area of their country is not actively under attack (because wars NEVER spread to involve other sections of the same country), any municipality with too high of a population of migrants is deemed a ghetto and demolished, the government attempted to house all immigrants on an isolated island whose only other purpose was a centre for contagious animals (I wish I was making this up), etc etc. The UN officially considers Danish immigration policies to be 'incompatible' with human rights, and to disproportionately impact racial and ethnic minorities.

Denmark doesn't have far right parties gaining power on the back of immigration rhetoric because they've already achieved it.

This is just racism, and don't let anyone concern troll you into thinking otherwise.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Denmark's immigration policies aren't some secret, they're actually very transparent and straightforward. You and everybody else can read them on the official Danish websites or get a summary of them on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Denmark#Features_of_the_present_Danish_asylum_system_(2023)

As you can see, nothing here is racist or far right. This is just bullshit fearmongering on your part. If anything, I would argue that these policies are actually reasonable. Calling the Danish left wing parties far right demonstrates that you're too out of touch for this conversation. Going completely brain dead and blindingly screaming racism at any sort of immigration policy isn't left wing politics, that's just being childish.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

You realize you literally just linked a page that verifies everything I said wrong with the Danish system, right? And I didn't call Danish left wing parties far right, I called the immigration policy far-right.

Take your sealioning elsewhere.

[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 169 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 109 points 1 week ago (31 children)

NGL, I dont know what happens after this time. It seems like the entire west is turning to fascism so I'm not really sure who'd fight it

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 88 points 1 week ago (7 children)

What gets me is that it's all a response to the generally centre right governments focusing on business for the last 45 years. Government has forgotten about the individual in the west. And the people have had enough.

Why then, do they turn further right? This should be bonanza time for the left.

Far right parties are happy to tell lies to get into power, so the people hear what they want to hear.
100 years is too long for living memory to survive.

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[–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You can see what's happening in the USA, Germany. That's really what you want for yourself? Again?

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