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[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (35 children)

I’m “collectivize the farms and factories” left, and even I recognize that it’s a hell of a lot easier to get to the second state from the first state than from where we are now.

[–] Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

While that's true, I think by positioning ourselves at the 2nd state, it allows us to "negotiate" our way down to getting the 1st state. Its kind of like haggling. If you start at the more extreme position, opposition will (in an ideal scenario) try to find a middle ground to agree on. And that middle ground would look like the 1st state. It's a way of combatting the ratcheting effect.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

damn right. in the US, performing labor is seen as more important than human life. that tells you a lot.

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