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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 87 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yeah it's called Lemmy.ml, hexbear, lemmygrad.ml

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Remember every time we find Putin backed propaganda outside of Russia in the wild, it's nearly always boosting predominantly conservative viewpoints versus anything else.

Outside of their borders they're more interested in people fighting with each other than anything like coming together. Right wing politics is how they do that

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Not entirely true. Russia propaganda targets all extremes

[–] troed@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sorry, but this is wrong. They're also actively sponsoring "left wing" propaganda, to further sow discord. Depending on which group you yourself belong to, it's just easier to spot "the others".

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-39592010

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Primary sources tend to disagree

Here's a study from 2019 about it that backs up my assertion that more is conservative https://academic.oup.com/joc/article/69/2/168/5425470

And of that propaganda being created, that conservative inclined people are most likely to fall for it: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20563051231220330

There seem to be plenty of other papers that more or less reach those same conclusions with a good number of citations, but I can't find anything really at all on Google Scholar concluding the opposite with a quick search, let alone something also credible.

The closest some papers come is saying that they try groups all over the political spectrum, as their goal is disunity ultimately, but they seemingly don't really have any kind of continued success with misinforming those groups anywhere near as effectively. They more or less all end up concluding that most of the propaganda targets conservatives, because they're the ones that fall for it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago

Both sides fall for it, just not equally.

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I think one of the problems with citing that first study as evidence Russian disinfo is targeted at conservatives more than liberals is that it only studied one case, and Russian disinformation campaigns tailor their disinfo to different demographics, often through brute force/trial and error. So it is quite possible that the particular case they studied happens to be tailored to (or more successfully resonated with) conservatives, while another specific case would have resonated with liberals more thus resulting in more liberal exposure by their metrics.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Your assertion that more is conservative is a meaningless assertion in the context of this discussion.

More can be conservative on average but you don't see an average view of the internet, you see your filter bubble, and that source backs up the original assertion that yes, Russia is targeting leftists too.

[–] troed@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

Primary sources tend to agree

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00207020241257635

Might it be that you're commenting based on what you want to be true?

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Your article doesn't seem to mention Russia once.

Rumors and smears are part of free speech. To the extent that right-wing trolls and their audience are actual voters, it's essentially just a coarse form of ordinary political speech.

The extent to which a foreign government acting coverly is either creating or artificially boosting such content is scandalous.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

realistically speaking our own governments are way more involved with manipulating our media than the 'foreigners' as people love to fearmonger about

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[–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] troed@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

Oh you think they just stopped? Did you bother to verify for yourself?

Over 2 million tweets from these accounts were collected from 24 February 2021 to 31 January 2023

Russian influence operations are weaponizing Canada's far right and the far left

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00207020241257635

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Absolutely and utterly false. They try and promote fighting, anger, and distrust of government to everyone.

They target leftists with things that will upset them, make them angry at the right and the government and other leftists and sow further discord and polarization.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Less extreme Leftists generally aren't nearly as likely to be control freaks as the right (although there are always exceptions), so getting them (as a group) angry enough to fight takes much more effort than it does the right.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Leftist movements are literally known for infighting and falling apart, it's the subject of countless memes.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

That is why I specified "less extreme," but yeah, that's fair.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 week ago

Thats false, every report ive seen on Russian activity shows that they antagonise both left and right wing people creating and boosting misinformation and organising real world protest events.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tankies have literally adopted the same rhetoric as MAGA. It could not be more obvious that leftist spaces are absolutely infested with this.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can you cite a source on this?

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[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago

Lol what an embarrassing propaganda unit that group is.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I wouldn't call them that. Most if not all of them are genuine people with some having accs for many years before Reddit crossed the line for most of us and them becoming anyhow relevant to interfere. In a recent hexbearean post about fediverse negativity I've read a couple of opinions with a notion that federating with others wasn't that great, and they were pretty happy just by themselves. I assume, it's the same for other two too. That's a game too long and effortful to be a psyop imho. Their positions and where they get their info are things to argue, but let's not get as far as dehumanizing them.

Almost everywhere I soundly proclaim that I am a russian dummy anarchist, that I live in that state for I have no options, and I angrily disagree with their fascination, mystification of what it is, I hold a grudge with anyone who wants that russki mir to be the model the whole world should share.

I, nevertheless, find a lot of points, like personal stuff and grieveancies, theoretical things, sympathy to protesters, to Gazan survivors that I share with them. Unlike transparently racist/fascist troll comms that were there, unlike their campaigns I've noticed, there is a huge population of real people worthy of talking, arguing with.

Call me any names and ban me, but as long as any person or community is supportive of basic pillar causes like body autonomy, you, like, can at least talk to them and find something in common.

What I missed though, is that Diva said the same, but misleadingly doubted the existence of russian bot networks. Them and state suppression ruined the rusophonic space to that degree I dropped it altogether. I don't know how their actions affected other countries, but as a nolifer shitposting addict trying to trust them just a bit, I came through fire, water and copper tubes before dropping them altogether. They are like current Twitter, but worse. And, well, fuck, I wasn't abandoning that to find the next option already corrupted.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 points 27 seconds ago

misleadingly doubted the existence of russian bot networks

don't get me wrong, I know these exist. I am just expressing skepticism because people on the English speaking Internet will act like every reply they don't like is a bot puppeteered by foreign intelligence.

It's just more likely to be a normal person and any state actors are probably going to be focusing on the corporate-run social media spaces

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[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This poster right here is a good example on trying to polarize and create infighting.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

.ml is moderated to be ideologically one sided. Pro-capitalism is literally not allowed and will deleted. Making a pro-west or anti-China or Russia comment is like a bat signal for .ml admins and users alike to dogpile on your comment.

It’s their right to moderate their instance how they see fit, but removing content on ideological grounds is going to result in people thinking what’s left is propaganda.

For the most part I like .ml users, I don’t care for the admin team and moderator decisions and that’s why I’m not on that instance. I could care less about the fact my instance is defederated from hexbear users or grad users. They do want to be polarizing and live in a propaganda bubble

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The better example is having lived it. Nobody's better at it than the .ml + Hexbear circlejerk itself. They're the sole reason I'm on this server now.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bro trust me I've been around since the start, it would be less weird if they WERE paid.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 24 points 1 week ago

Dear russian psyop soldier reading this, fuck you. Love, me.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The network includes accounts impersonating reputable news outlets such as BBC News, Euronews, and Meduza, designed to give credibility to Telegram propaganda links. We believe it may be connected to the “Pravda/Portal Kombat” pro-Russia propaganda network.

Accounts are hosted across numerous Mastodon instances and bridged into Bluesky, creating the appearance of independent sources. Activity on Bluesky helped reveal aggregate patterns, identical usernames, posting schedules, and content themes more clearly than across decentralised Mastodon services.

If your first reaction was to post "posts I dislike are Russian bots", then you haven't actually grasped the argument. It has nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with specific posts.

It's also very telling that you're reflexively posting that when it says nothing about the data being presented.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Hey, actually reading the article is cheating!

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

The fact the comments here are so contentious is just funny. I will block as is appropriate but so far have not had to do to much of it on the fediverse. Man it needs to be reciprical though so their training is limited.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Excellent opportunity to prove the superiority of our localized moderation model!

[–] SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

everyone i dislike is a russian bot.

also: пошел нахуй путин

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[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are obviously agents from elsewhere, and some of them may be pretty effective, but it's nothing compared to Trump and Co getting money from the likes of Saudis and acting like they own the place. If the main concern is american politics, well, the real worms aren't theoretical or real foreign enemies, but corrupted fuckheads that ignore human, state rights, shutdown government, pack people from the streets to deport. No enemy could've done such damage so-called friends are doing.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The rise in right-wing nationalism has been notable across Europe, as well. It's a good guess that the Russians have been pushing that, too. The US is just ahead of the curve.

Leading the Western world, as usual.

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