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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Explanation: The US Civil War was kicked off in 1861 after the election of the antislavery candidate Abraham Lincoln in late 1860. The radical antislavery position Lincoln held?

... that slavery shouldn't be allowed to expand outside of the South.

Not "Slavery must be immediately destroyed by the Federal government". Not even "Slavery in the South must be reduced by the Federal government." Just "No expansion."

Obviously, to the slaver cunts, this was unacceptable oppression, and they then attempted to secede after losing said democratic election.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's another angle to this, which is federal power vs states' rights. See, the slave-owning states actually controlled the federal government, owing to the majority of Senators and Congressmen who were pro-slavery. They had passed federal legislation that required escaped slaves to be captured and returned to their former owners, and they were pissed that anti-slavery states were ignoring or opposing the federal law. States like Wisconsin and New Hampshire were freeing any slaves that arrived in their borders, and Lincoln had indicated (without an explicit campaign promise) that he would not enforce the federal law and try to supercede individual states. Nor would he force new states, like Kansas, to enforce slavery against the will of their nacent state governments.

Leaders in what would become Confederate states were angry that individual states were defying federal power. They resigned from Congress because they opposed states' rights when it came to slavery. It was only when they tried to secede that they argued a state's right to leave the Union, kicking off the Civil War.

So why do bigots wave Confederate flags and froth at the mouth screaming about states rights, when the actual Confederates explicitly opposed states' rights? That's because in the 1920-60s, during the civil rights movement, states were being forced to end discriminatory practices, and those state governments didn't want to stop being racist. That's when they made states' rights a rallying cry, linking it to the Confederate past to stir up bigoted nostalgia for a more hateful time. It is why Nixon came up with the Southern Strategy to build his party on ignorant dipshits.

So if you think the Civil War was fought over States' Rights, you're not exactly wrong, but you probably have the bigots on the wrong side of the argument.

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've usually read that the block on slavery in new states or territories was the tipping point. I'm sure the slave states were mad about the lax fugitive slave law enforcement, but with the westward expansion of the nation adding new anti-slavery senators and representatives, the slave states were going to lose their control of Congress and expected slavery to be abolished nationally not long after.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Both are accurate, and really each of the states had their own reasons and concerns. You can read first-hand justifications for secession in the South Carolina Declaration of Secession which outlines how the federal government failed to uphold their end of the Constitution specifically by failing to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This doesn't even talk about what Johnson and his collaboraters did during "reconstruction." Fuckers ensured that absolutely no consequences would be faced by the traitors.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

In a just world, Johnson would have not only been removed after being impeached, but hanged as well.