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Long story short, I have a desktop with Fedora, lovely, fast, sleek and surprisingly reliable for a near rolling distro (it failed me only once back around Fedora 34 or something where it nuked Grub). Tried to install on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air… what a slog!!!!! Surprisingly Ubuntu runs very smooth on it. I have been bothering all my friends for years about moving to Fedora (back then it was because I hated Unity) but now… I mean, I know that we are suppose to hate it for Snaps and what not but… Christ, it does run well! In fairness all my VMs are running DietPi (a slimmed version of Ubuntu) and coming back to the APT world feels like coming back home.

On the other end forcing myself to be on Fedora allows me to stay on the DNF world that is compatible with Amazon Linux etc (which I use for work), it has updated packages, it is nice and clean…. Argh, don’t know how to decide!

Thoughts?

I am not in the mood for Debian. I like the Mint approach but I am not a fan of slow rolling releases and also would like to keep myself as close as upstream as possible, the Debian version is the only one that seems reliable enough but, again, it is Debian, the packages are “old”. Pop Os and similar are two hops away from upstream and so I’d rather not.

Is Snap really that bad?

Edit: thank you all for sharing your experience !

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Personally I don't really hate Ubuntu, but I tend to find that everything it does, there's something else that does it slightly better.

For example, it's supposed to be a good 'beginner' distro or good for something that 'just works', but IMO things like Mint or Pop!OS do it a little better these days. Snap is supposed to be a nice simple way to manage packages without worrying about dependencies, but Flatpak does it better and so on.

So yeah I don't hate it, I just don't see any particular reason to really use it. Opinions may vary though of course.

[–] ethd@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I've run Ubuntu Server frequently on VMs for work, but I could kinda go either way on it. The majority of people who have issues with Ubuntu have philosophical differences. I'm inclined to agree for my personal stuff (in principle I'd rather not get my packages from a single source that works on their own whims, in practice I never use anything but Flathub unless I need a package with deeper permissions) primarily because I believe that Linux should be as open as possible. That said, I already mentioned that my principles there only apply to machines I own, so I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite 😅

[–] LoveSausage@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Long time since I used Ubuntu,, remember updates breaking network twice.. Peppermint OS, Debian(and devuan if you don't like systemd) based. all the important bits (not arch level) but nothing more. Rolling, Runs on 1 GB ram. Haven't distro hopped anymore since I found it.

Stable base , extra on top

“Everything you need and nothing you don’t."

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[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it works for you then use it, however if you want the latest packages you'll have to NOT use the LTS releases in which case be prepared to do a FULL REINSTALL every time a new version comes out.

Or use the LTS but use Snaps for those applications that you want to have the latest versions of. Snaps are getting better and I think eventually you won't notice the difference between them and native apps, except for the space they just up. But that goes for Flatpak too.

Personally I use Linux Mint Debian Edition because I'm not happy with the way Canonical is going. In most cases the "old" apps are fine for me, but if I felt need the newest version I'll use a Flatpak.

Another rolling option is OpenSuse Tumbleweed however, being a Mac which uses proprietary WiFi drivers, your WiFi will break with kernel updates, which can be irritating, unless you have ethernet.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it works for you then use it, however if you want the latest packages you’ll have to NOT use the LTS releases in which case be prepared to do a FULL REINSTALL every time a new version comes out.

This is just wrong. You can update the LTS release to the next non-LTS release. You only have to unchecked "LTS only". You can also wait for the next LTS release.

You never need a full install. I haven't done such a thing for a decade.

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really? I wasn't aware, or I'd forgotten. Can you go from non lts to lts in the same way?

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[–] Decker108@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think a lot of people dislike Ubuntu because of Gnome and Snaps, which is weird to me. You can fairly easily change desktop environment and most Snaps have apt or Flatpak alternatives.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

It's just simpler to pick a distribution that matches your choices out of the box, rather than hacking a distro. And I'm talking about Snap in particular.

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Yes you can, afterall its based on debian. But its manual labor, and not to mention telemetry data sent to canonical.

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

i heard all this shit about linux and nvidia

i installed Ubuntu and EVERYTHING WORKS

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm quite happy with Linux Mint Debian Edition. I think it is the future of Mint. It's on a very recent kernel, and more and more software I use nowadays is in Flatpaks anyways. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much new stuff, but maybe I'm just not aware.

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[–] ipsirc@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

*buntu doesn't even deserve threads like this.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is some stuff that I hate, but I tend to come back to it for my home server just because of livepatch, which is nice to minimize the amount of reboots necessary and having a patched kernel for all my LXCs makes then also automatically protected.

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is Ubuntu trying embrace, extend, exterminate?

I just realised snaps kind of look like "extend", after a long period of "embrace".

Did anyone write about it, yet? Am I overthinking it?

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

Why do you think Ubuntu is the favourite distro at Microsoft? They've tried extinguishing Linux through suse, but are now back on the old EEE plan with canonical helping them.

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