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[-] cogman@lemmy.world 202 points 9 months ago

Are people on the left saying this?

The 2 things I've really not liked about biden is he

  1. Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.

  2. Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.

Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 63 points 9 months ago

Are people on the left saying this?

A few. A small, but very loud group online. They're larger on the Fediverse than most places.

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[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 27 points 9 months ago

2 is huge, but you forgot that he busted the railroad union which directly led to ohio burning down

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

I'm no fan of Biden (though I did and will vote for him) but that's not what happened. He did not bust the unions, the 12 unions still exist. He broke a strike, which is the intended purpose of the Railway Labor Act of 1926.

The law he put before congress to force a resolution to the three year negotiation deadlock would have guaranteed the workers 7 days of sick leave per year (they wanted 15). It passed the House but the Senate knocked it down to 1 day, with a 14% immediate pay increase and an additional 25% over the next five years.

Biden continued negotiate for the unions to get the sick days. They don't all have them yet, but at this point 61% of the workers do have 4 short notice paid sick days with the option to trade three personal days for an additional 3 short notice sick days. Negotiations are still happening, the Biden administration is still part of them.

The Ohio derailment disaster was not a result of worker error (or lack of sick days) but lack of maintenance regulations, which was not something that was being negotiated at that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute

https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-renews-pressure-railroads-over-paid-sick-leave-2023-02-09/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20effective%20Aug,use%20as%20paid%20sick%20time.&text=Our%20Standards%3A%20The%20Thomson%20Reuters%20Trust%20Principles

Beau of the Fifth Column, Let's Talk About Biden, the Rails and Sick days... Youtube link

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 164 points 9 months ago

"Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe"

Let's not get ahead of ourselves on either count.

[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 30 points 9 months ago

yeah and im a big supporter (well relative to what I see on the internets) but obviously all of it is not attributable to him. All the same there have been more things that actually improve my quality of life over what any other president has done in my lifetime and all in one term with an adversarial congress. I loved obama but man he wasted a nice majority trying to play fair with a bunch of known cheaters.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 132 points 9 months ago

If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I'll show you how.

  1. Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.

  2. Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.

  3. Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.

  4. Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.

The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I'm pretty sure that they don't want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn't want us to get firebombed.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I’m pretty sure that they don’t want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn’t want us to get firebombed.

You should run dude. I'm dead ass serious. You can win rural districts where dickless corporate bootlicking democrats can't.

Here's the secret code: Don't run as a Democrat. Run as an independent.

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[-] ben_dover@lemmy.world 125 points 9 months ago

"saved democracy in Europe"? i'd argue democracy works better here than in the US of A, and certainly not due to any US president

[-] ammonium@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Saved from a Russian invasion. It's a bit exaggerated, but not entirely untrue I believe.

[-] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 29 points 9 months ago

Europe has contributed more money than USA, so they can share a little less than half the credit.

It's basically the same deal as WW2 - sure, the USA has had a big impact - but Europe's not exactly shirked its share of the heavy lifting.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 92 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is unemployment actually down, or is this just like number fudging from folks who work 3 part time jobs?

There's a LOT more homeless people than I remember ever seeing before.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Unemployment is measured as people who are eligible and looking for work but not employed. People who have left the workforce for reasons other than getting laid off/fired (like quitting to take care of a sick family member) or people who have given up looking for work are not counted, even if they want a job. It's measured by a CPS survey of 60,000 households, and I doubt it includes homeless people (or anyone without a permanent address).

I've heard the opposition party claim the unemployment is under-counted during the Obama, Trump, and Biden years by excluding job seekers who have given up on finding employment. That's probably true, but if it is it has probably been pretty consistently under-counted for decades by both parties.

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Unemployment is a meaningless statistic due to the weird definition. The more useful statistic is #of jobs divided by total population, which peaked in 1970 and has been declining fairly consistently ever since

[-] Blackmist@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

That's like claiming you have more bread by cutting the slices thinner.

Unemployment stats are typically useless for other reasons. For example, this is the definition of unemployed.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#unemployed

In the Current Population Survey, people are classified as unemployed if they meet all of the following criteria:

  • They were not employed during the survey reference week.
  • They were available for work during the survey reference week, except for temporary illness.
  • They made at least one specific, active effort to find a job during the 4-week period ending with the survey reference week (see active job search methods) OR they were temporarily laid off and expecting to be recalled to their job.

Done an hour of DoorDash or whatever? Homeless? Not unemployed. It's very much a meaningless stat and governments around the world game it all the time.

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[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 9 months ago

Homeless doesn't equal unemployed. There are a lot of people who have a job but can't afford housing

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[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago

So I don't disagree that we need to get less chosey and start voting for the lesser evil at the very least (not even american here bu the UK also has a choice between fuckwad A and B right now) But the bar for 'extreme leftists' has now gotten so low that depending on the company simply suggesting that we shouldn't leave people to die on the street will get you classified as 'extreme leftist'

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[-] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

With the jackass before him setting bar so low, Joe could have just redecorated the oval office and I'd have considered it a win. Its a bummer Doing The Job like a damn adult doesn't get enough ink ..

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[-] RoseTintedGlasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

[I got a bot to automatically delete all my comments over 1 month old so you can’t see this comment anymore]

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You missed:

  1. Enabled and bankrolled the slaughter of over 27,000 Palestinians.
  2. Bombed Iraq, Syria and Yemen
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[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 9 months ago

Who created this Liberal porn?

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 9 months ago

How is it even US 'liberal'? "Secured the border?" Wtf is this??

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[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

This doesn't even mention many of the infrastructure programs that help people directly - the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, American Rescue Plan Act, WIIN, WIFIA, and probably more that I don't know about. There is so much work in water lines and roads/bridges because of Biden.

[-] Miaou@jlai.lu 37 points 9 months ago

Lol saved democracy in Europe, if the rest is just as accurate then he indeed hasn't been very active in office

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[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 37 points 9 months ago

Let's not forget he took over in Jan. 2021. Accelerating vaccine rollout was on his watch:

"With COVID-19 surging and vaccinations off to a slow start, President-elect Joe Biden will rapidly release most available vaccine doses to protect more people, his office said Friday, a reversal of Trump administration policies."

https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-developments-in-2021

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-f7bb372f73a4f204ec540d39a4409e18

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[-] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 months ago

I appreciate the bravery it takes to post something like this on Lemmy.

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[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

"Low unemployment" isn't a useful metric when the minimum wage isn't enough to live on, and the implication that people should be grateful for "low unemployment" is insulting to people who work full time and still can't afford food and housing.

Its counterproductive to cite unemployment numbers when trying to rally support for current representatives, unless you can also show that wages are increasing.

Simply referring to the number of jobs that exist feels dismissive and alienating. Instead, you'd get a stronger propaganda effect by citing the number of GOOD jobs that exist - jobs that pay a living wage.

[-] willis936@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Don't forget:

🎶 Private property's inherently theft And neoliberal fascists are destroying the left And every politician, every cop on the street Protects the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite 🎶

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[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You don't need to listen to far right nutjobs. They were never going to vote for any Democrat candidate.

You do need to listen to us far left "nutjobs" if you think you need our votes.

EDIT: Goddamn for a group that loves to call us "childish " moderates really don't appreciate being told they can't get what they want on their own and have to gasp cooperate with others.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Call me when he brings out the trust busting hammer. It's the one thing that touches on most of the problems in the US.

He needs to actually stand with Unions, actually bring the economy back for the working class, actually make homes and food affordable again.

The other shit is just dressing on the cake. Voters aren't going to vote for him unless he can do that. They might vote against the other guy, but -

Jobs that don't pay

A request to the police forces

A counselor the visits once a month

Killing some brown guy in a war we're all tired of

Lifted a ban the next GOP president is just going to put back

Stopped a pipeline the next GOP president is just going to send DHS agents to guard

And protected land the next GOP president is going to unprotect

And continuing Trump's abuses of refugees, more efficiently....

Ain't gonna fucking do it. These aren't the things we care about. We want to put food on the table for our families.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

Just FYI to a bunch of commenters here...complaining about something that he successfully did actually doesn't dispute the post showing all the stuff he did. If you're mad about how low insulin prices got you're proving the point.

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[-] seathru@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

EO 14074 only applies to federal LEOs. Which is a very small percentage of the US police force. Definitely not "All police dept's [sic]".

Just because it's in a spongebob meme doesn't make it true.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago
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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

The really wack thing is everybody already knew when Trump removed criminal only focus of ICE and the holding time limitations that it would weaken the border. We already had data about how those policies improved border security from the Obama Era, but Trump still did what he did to put children in cages for many months for no fucking reason at all.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 17 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but it's about messaging and PR. Many people perceive Trump to do better especially on economy, even though more debt is added to the national debt during his last presidency. People tend to prioritise economy more than other issues; and Biden isn't doing anything to market himself and his administration that they're do better on handling the economy.

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