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Reddit beats film industry again, won’t have to reveal pirates’ IP addresses (arstechnica.com)

submitted 9 months ago by Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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While we can be pretty confident that Reddit has its own motivations (i.e. self-interest) for fighting these lawsuits, this is still a good news story for pirates.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 227 points 9 months ago

Food for thought: Lemmy instance admins probably can’t afford $800 an hour corporate attorneys to fight off subpoenas.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 94 points 9 months ago

Food for though: In the US judges have ruled on multiple occasions that an IP address doesn't actually prove what individual engaged in the act.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago

Might I direct you to the huge flaming catastrophe of bullshit known as "the police don't give a fuck lol". All they need to do is make it difficult, costly and time consuming to win and fuck you once you get hit with charges. And would you look at that, the US legal system specializes in all 3 of those! How convenient.

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[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Doesn’t matter, these are unpaid volunteers standing up instances. Most, if not all, have no desire to fight that battle on their own dime.

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[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

The average person getting sued also can't afford an attorney

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[-] Skelectus@suppo.fi 42 points 9 months ago

Sure, but that's assuming the logs contain your ip in the first place.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

Assume they do until proven otherwise

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 9 months ago

Oops, I accidentally fired the sd card containing my instance running on my raspberry pie.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 9 months ago

If that is really how you do it, you won't need to fry it, it will happen soon enough by itself.

[-] Cinner@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Seriously. Lemmy is a house made of patchwork quilt, with a bit of pine sap here and there to steady the few boards.

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[-] FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

And this is why you VPN.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

MFW I went to upvote but couldn't because "error: VPN blocked" 😑

[-] Hubi@feddit.de 21 points 9 months ago

Huh, I exclusively browse Lemmy through a VPN and I've never seen that one.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

He's probably talking about reddit They no longer allow vpn's or any user obfuscators to browse the site

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

No they don't. I use the site with a VPN often and it generally works

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[-] parachaye@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

That would probably be because your instance is different. Lemmy.world has recently blocked VPN traffic apparently because of bad actors uploading CSAM behind VPN. I also had issues with Lemmy with my VPN this week and either need to split tunnel or need to browse Lemmy as view-only.

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[-] Chozo@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

That doesn't help instance admins at all, though.

[-] Skelectus@suppo.fi 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It helps admins help you stay anonymous by relieving them from having to cover for you.

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[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 28 points 9 months ago

Would be a real shame if my instance's logrotate was set to, say, only keep a few days of webserver logs. Real shame.

Good luck establishing precedent with that!

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh. They sued an instance? 😱
Anyway... here's another 5 hosted in Russia, or a country where piracy is legal, or just don't give a fuck.

[-] t0fr@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago

ok but what if in losing the suit, they must give up the logs and IPs?

Before they go under?

like the instance and the people that discussed piracy will be hurt

and it will put fear in others

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not all instances keep logs...
Some intentionally discard them, look into the policys of the instance you're signing up to.
All your comments and posts are hosted on your parent instance then shared to the federated instances.
Some instances don't even let you sign up with an email or make it optional.
Lemmy.world keeps logs, but much more controversial instances often don't.
Also it's much more complex, because you have to think about the scope of the potential lawsuit as well as the given evidence that a user is actually sharing the material infringing on their copyright; which will not be a large amount of the user base. They can't simply sue a user for having an account, the user has to actively be sharing infringing material.

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[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 72 points 9 months ago

I was going to download their movies to spite them, but looking it up they've only produced complete trash.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Sorry, you're going to have to be just a little more specific here, I'm wading in a sea of garbage over here

[-] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 57 points 9 months ago

I am so conflicted on which side should I be on :/

[-] arthur@lemmy.zip 72 points 9 months ago

A rough translation of a brazilian quote for you: "In a fight between these guys, I cheer for the fight".

[-] shea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago

I'm gonna say this all the time now

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[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

How is it hard to root for the anonymity of people? This is pretty cut-and-dry.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 months ago

If the film industry wins that could be a really awful precedent. Just sayin'

[-] onion@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago

You don't have to (and shouldn't) side with any for profit company

[-] explodicle@local106.com 25 points 9 months ago

I'm glad Reddit won here because it sets a precedent that will protect less well-funded Lemmy instances.

[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 months ago

Ever?

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 8 points 9 months ago

Small exception for when two for profit companies are fighting each other. At that point it becomes a question of which is the lesser evil.

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[-] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you think reddit is on your side, think again.

Reddit can eat my ass with a spoon

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

Exactly, but it's still a helpful win regardless.

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[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Firms wanted seven years' worth of IP address logs

I doubt - or hope they don't - Reddit stores them for that long?

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 33 points 9 months ago

It's data that could have value, so I doubt they don't store it. I think the movie studios didn't offer enough. Or Reddit thought it was too damaging for this particular sale.

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[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Le reddit wins legain, m'fellows!