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submitted 9 months ago by headroom@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[-] Kekin@lemy.lol 4 points 9 months ago

Essentially since I switched to AMD almost a year ago, and I switched so I could use wayland with freesync lol

[-] cow@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I have been running wayland with sway for around 6-10 months (I forget when I switched). I have a 4-monitor setup and hated the default workspace management but swaysome convinced me to switch. I heard a lot of stuff about how manual tiling is bad but I actually don't mind it and kind of prefer it to automatic tiling from AwesomeWM which I used before sway, .

[-] massivefailure@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have very recently after rallying against it for years. It seems like there has been a concentrated effort lately to get it working really well, which I only have to say "about damn time" after they've been advocating it for over a decade and it still was a buggy pile of garbage at that point. Plasma seems to have done a load of work getting Wayland stable lately, and with the latest Plasma6, I'm happy with it. There's some weirdness here and there but I can handle a little bit of problems vs. my entire system slowing to a crawl and then crashing after a day or two reliably when running Wayland vs. Xorg which ran fine even semi-recently.

[-] daddyjones@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Interested to hear you use it with Nvidia - I was led to understand it didn't play well with Nvidia.

I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes with my card.

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[-] Confetti_Camouflage@pawb.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can't use Wayland until this xwayland Nvidia bug is fixed, which is a shame because I think that's the last thing holding Nvidia users back. I tried the new Plasma 6 recently and for the most part it was great until I tried gaming and hit that bug. I tried different older and newer beta driver versions but it was more or less the same bug.

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[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 4 points 9 months ago

Cinnamon user here. Would love to try it when they get keyboard layouts figured out.

[-] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Switched like a year ago or so, not really any difference on my AMD pc and Intel laptop. Now I need wayland for HDR on Plasma 6 so there's no way I could go back personally, as well as the great multi-monitor and fractional scaling handling.

[-] jafo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I've been using it on Ubuntu 22.04 for almost 2 years. It started off rocky, with frequent restarts needed, maybe every week or two. It's been pretty solid, though I did give up on using it for screen sharing and captures, which is unfortunate timing in today's WFH world.

[-] SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

Yes, for over a year now (since early December 2022, don't remember the exact date).

My experiences with it seem to constantly be different than that of most users, because Wayland was a direct upgrade for me - I couldn't play games properly on X11 at all because they would stutter and freeze really badly even when Vsync was disabled and the game reported to be running at 60 FPS, but Wayland fixed the issue altogether for me.

...Granted, I'm on an AMD card. If I was on Nvidia it'd probably be another story entirely. :x

[-] cant_breath@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Yes, on fedora for 2 years. Using integrated amd

[-] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I use xmonad/xfce which is not available on wayland, and I have no real desire to research alternatives and config them/learn their keyboard shortcuts/etc. Its unclear to me what the benefit is from switching, from a UI perspective. Probably nothing.

But I'll probably give it a try anyway in a few months maybe, I hear they merged something to make nvidia less glitchy, so maybe wait for that to be in my distro.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I wanted to love Wayland but the fact is half of the apps I use are either too small in the UI or too blurry when scaled up. Until that’s fixed I’m staying on x11 begrudgingly.

[-] redditsuckss@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

I have these exact same issues with wayland on KDE.

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[-] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As soon as it works. A recent update included Plasma 6.0.2 (on NixOS unstable/24.05) which apparently defaults to wayland, but it just exits to login right away. I'm not in a mood to tinker, so for now I plan to simply wait for things to Just Work. When I select "wayland" and things work and look the same (or better) is when I'm happy to rid myself of the horror that is X11, because as horrible as X11 is, it simply isn't giving me trouble these days - my system is stable and I like keeping it that way.

Edit: perhaps important to mention that I'm using a GTX 1070.

Edit 2: I realise that I'm sort of contradicting myself with how I worded the above. I don't mean to imply that I'm not willing to sacrifice anything to embrace Wayland; just that as it stands I don't think the benefits of Wayland outweighs my ability to use this computer the way I need to.

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[-] Para_lyzed@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I used Wayland for a couple years on AMD hardware and it was fine; I didn't really have any issues. Since acquiring a laptop with an Nvidia card as a gift about a year agi (it was a hand-me-down), I switched to X11 because it is still more stable for Nvidia. I will be switching back to Wayland (with Nvidia) when Fedora 40 releases. Hopefully the support for explicit sync patch will be available by that time, but if not I won't be heavily affected, as I am not playing games currently. I expect that patch to fix the black frame insertion during VRR that people have been complaining about, at which point Nvidia will be viable (for me) on Wayland.

I've been on the Wayland train for quite some time now, it's only really had issues with Nvidia because Nvidia refuses to adapt their graphics driver for it. We have to rely on the Wayland and XWayland projects to fix the incompatibilities that Nvidia is too lazy to fix themselves (like not supporting implicit sync). Luckily AMD is on top of things and has worked very well with Wayland for years now, so those with AMD hardware are better off.

EDIT: Here's a link to a Lemmy post about the explicit sync patch. Looks like Nvidia drivers plan to support it in the May 15th patch, so about a month after Fedora 40 releases.

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah I’m holding out for xscreensaver support

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[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

About 2 years ago when fractional scaling got good in kde. X just blurred the shit out of everything else. Pretty happy on wayland!

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

been using it since i switched to amd.

been using it for even longer on my intel gpu laptop.

nvidia has been holsing it over for a decade at this point.

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 9 months ago

I have used it for almost 3 years, no serious issues here.

[-] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

Zero issues for me. Been daily driving it for years. Play Steam games regularly, but have not tried switching to X. Performance on Windows is MUCH better with my 1080ti playing D4, but I'm prefectly content with preformance on Linux and don't want to keep switching.

[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I do, but I have to switch to X11 for work. I log in using VMWare Horizon Client, which technically works on Wayland, except that keyboard shortcuts and keys like Meta are caught by my desktop.

[-] invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've switched nearly all my computers to Linux with wayland in the past 2 years with the last device coming over in the last couple of months.

I run a headless fedora/kde ~~/wayland~~ gaming desktop (with a nvidia GPU) which I use exclusively over steam links dotted around the house. That took a bit of tinkering tbh but flawless operation since. Edit: Turns out its actually still on Xorg. Still some work to do here getting this moved over. I forget why I didn't stick but must've been some combination of headless and steam link streams

I use arch/hyprland on my daily driver laptop and arch/sway on my work laptop.

The wifes laptop is also fedora/KDE on wayland.

[-] Artopal@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

I don't use Wayland. I can. I've tried, but I went back to X. On Wayland, when I take a Firefox tab out of a window to make it it's own window, there's a pause of over a second until the new window appears. It drives me crazy every time. On X it's instantaneous.

I don't use two monitors, I don't use Nvidia. For everything else I use my computer for, I haven't found an advantage of using Wayland over X. So, I'll stay on X until I'm forced to change, I guess.

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

What distro/DE are you using? I don't have that problem nor have I heard of anyone having that problem

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[-] LaSirena@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

I daily drive a ThinkPad for work running Wayland. I have one occasional problem with a commercial application that I suspect is related but I haven't bothered to prove it since it's so infrequent. Otherwise, rock solid experience for the last year since I was given the machine.

[-] starman@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've been on Wayland (Hyprland) for 8 months, unfortunately on Nvidia.

[-] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

For about 3-4 years. I switched after sway added support for per-display VRR which xorg cannot do still (and probably will never be able to do due to core design limitations)

On AMD it's been better than Xorg for a couple years now in my use case. No more tearing and latency issues, any games that don't play nice have worked fine with gamescope.

With HDR support finally on the horizon it'll be able to completely replace windows for me which I already barely use.

The only issue I regularly encounter is programs handling windowing strangely. Some programs like to switch themselves into my active workspace under certain circumstances which is mildly annoying but just requires that I press the hotkey to put them back where they belong a couple times a day.

[-] littletranspunk@lemmus.org 3 points 9 months ago

I'll adopt it when it becomes Linux Mint's default

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 3 points 9 months ago

Probably like 3+ years on the laptop (Intel), approaching 1 year on the desktop (AMD).

Wayland + NVIDIA is still a disaster and a very inferior experience compared to the AMD side. I would stick with Xorg if I had NVIDIA too.

Only on Intel or AMD do you get a Wayland experience that makes you go "wow I can't wait for Xorg to be dead for good". I had a very, very noticeable improvement even years ago on Wayland when it comes to triple monitor performance, VRR and vsync in general. Now that screen capture and stuff is mostly figured out, it works perfectly for me.

At this point my only issues with Wayland are related to features that haven't been implemented yet, not bugs or performance issues. And I'm more than willing to workaround the limitations and take the benefits.

I've been patiently following development and waiting to switch for 10 years, first exploring Wayland with the EGLStream patch for Weston on my GTX 580. Even back then you could feel the difference, but obviously it was also unusable other than demos.

[-] fleet@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

In 2017 I bought a ThinkPad with a hidpi screen, which I knew would give me trouble with Linux. Fortunately the Fedora 26 beta had just been released and was using Wayland by default (I wasn't very Linux savvy to do it myself yet). I've been using Wayland on Fedora ever since without issue.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

When? Since Ubuntu made it the default for non Nvidia PCs

[-] dotslashme@infosec.pub 3 points 9 months ago

Switched over to wayland about 4-5 years ago, have run into a couple of problems dealing with theming, fractional scaling and of course nvidia, but on the whole my experience has been without major issues.

[-] Sickday@kbin.run 3 points 9 months ago

I switched from i3 to sway about 3(ish?) years ago now and haven't looked back. I've had very few issues with it and frankly it's been solid for me

[-] grep@fosstodon.org 3 points 9 months ago

@headroom Wayland has been my daily for almost a year-and-a-half, most of that on Intel/Nvidia hybrid gpus. I used to use XFCE but switched to Plasma in anticipation of the Landing of Way.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Professionally, we’ve only used Wayland in our products since 2015

Personally, I switched all my home computers to Wayland in 2021

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