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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as a non gun person, how much are we betting that we use metric sizing, and the load them based on imperial standards (for the ammo manufacturers that work in the US)

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

(It's just a way to brand....a 5.56 bullet is a .223 bullet but a 5.56 cartridge is much "hotter" then a .223, you can fire a .223 through a 5.56 rifle but I would strongly recommend not doing 5.56 in a .223)

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

And a .308 is a 7.62mm NATO. You can fire a 7.62 through a 308, but you shouldn't fire a .308 round through a 7.62 NATO gun because of a slightly different shell shape and higher pressure loads.

if there is one thing i will never put time into learning, it's all the variants of them.

[–] w2tpmf@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This isn't true. Both 5.56 and .223 can be loaded to a variety of pressure specs. 5.56 being hotter is fudd lore due to it being the military spec.

The difference between the two comes down to how the neck of the cartridge is measured. The the 5.56 is rated to withstand a certain pressure...it does not mean it is always loaded to a higher pressure.

The reason you don't want to shoot 5.56 in a .223 is because the cartridge neck doesn't fit the chamber properly and the resulting incorrect headspace is what can cause a catastrophic failure ..again it's not due to the round being hotter.

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[–] DaneGerous@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

While that's true, another reason not to put 5.56 into .223 is that 5.56 has a slightly longer casing that might not have room to expand in a .223 rifle.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

.500S&W and .50 Browning would like a word.....

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is one called .500 and the other .50? I looked them up and both are basically the same diameter but I don't get the origin of the name itself (especially since the .50 is actually .510 diameter??)

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, in fact NOT the same diameter. Despite what the names may imply. A .500S&W has a bullet diameter of .500" to prevent classification as a destructive device by the BATF in the US.

The .50BMG, is .510" bullet diameter. It is allowed because it's been grandfathered in - it's been around for a very long time. And the few people who can afford to actually own and shoot something in that caliber aren't a whole lot of people - despite what Hollywood, and to be fair some politicians would have you think. Stuff be stupid expensive Yo.

There are no legal or industry required conventions in naming rifle cartridges. You can pretty much call it whatever you want. Even the Europeans do this. You can have a rifle in 8mm Mauser, 8x57 Mauser, or 7.92x57 Mauser. And tehy all refer to the exact same cartridge and are totally interchangeable. There was a brief time with early black powder cartridge arms were about. They would name a cartridge something like .45-70-500 Government. This would tell you the bullet was .45 caliber with a 70grain powder charge, and the bullet weighted 500grains as used by the US government. And then by the late 1800's they somehow lost the thread and went completely off the rails bringing us to today. (I blame the French. Why? No reason, I just irrationally do.) Where many of the "new" calibers are often re-treads with a new name, because marketing.

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[–] p3n@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a pretty good video explaining why the imperial system in the U.S. isn't as bad as it seems: https://youtu.be/iJymKowx8cY?si=wcyG7yM150e71Rn4

[–] stoneparchment@possumpat.io 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just because it isn't as bad a joke would imply doesn't mean it still isn't really quite bad

Base 12 vs base 10 is pretty much the only objective advantage of USC, and it only uniquely occurs in USC for small construction-scale tasks (i.e. the inch-to-foot scale).

I don't think people critiquing USC are unaware of what this video is saying. We just think it's still worse.

source: 8th gen American who would rather switch to SI

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

let me just pop my 10 mg pills.

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