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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)

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[-] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 150 points 1 year ago

It's like every time there's a war everybody forgets how fucking long they take. WW2 took six years. The Vietnam War took almost 20 years, same with the Afghanistan War. Anybody expecting anything solid within the next couple years is delusional. Ukraine is in it for the long haul.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

That's not strictly true. On the short end, there was the six-day war. On the long end, there was the hundred years' war.

Putin was clearly aiming for the short option, but then I suppose most belligerents usually are.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 90 points 1 year ago

You know what? I never thought I'd say this but I'm with Ukraine on this one.

This whole counter offensive insanity is so militarily nonsensical that it had to have been mounted to please the West with a "win" so that they'd stay in the war. Real Chiang Kai Shek committing the best of the KMT army to Shanghai to impress the Westerners energy.

The West is standing on the sidelines, supplying just enough equipment to keep the embers going and judging the ordinary Ukrainians going to their deaths by their hundreds.

Fuck the clowns in charge in Kiev and fuck the Nazi militias obviously. But at this point the men being sent to the front are old men and boys dragged off the street against their will. Sending them to die to appease the West is fucking sick.

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[-] thecodemonk@programming.dev 87 points 1 year ago

The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It's mind blowing.

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[-] Fuckass@hexbear.net 85 points 1 year ago

“The Ghost of Kyiv is still training with the F-35 you sent us,” President Zelenskyy told a Pentagon advisor who criticized the counter-offensive. “This is your people’s job. Either shut up, or provide better instructors.”

Wow. Zelensky isn’t playing. He means business

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There sure are a lot of Lemmy bro-gaders and NATO shillbots in this thread. That's the only explanation for people disagreeing with me.
smuglord

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[-] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

HexBear and brigading yet another Ukraine thread with misinformation and Kremlin propaganda, name a more iconic duo.

EDIT: It appears that I've triggered the horde.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago

Are the Hexbear users who are saying Ukraine is being ungrateful repeating Kremlin propaganda or are the Hexbear users who are saying Ukraine has a point repeating Kremlin propaganda?

Is Kremlin propaganda just ontologically what a Hexbear user says?

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago

Libs and calling responding to a post that pops up on our feed "brigading"
Libs and calling claims with citations and references "propaganda"

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[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

brigading is when people disagree with me on a site where people post news articles and everyone posts their opinion

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's the second post on our /all/ page?

You've all got to get used to the way federation works. Because everyone is federated with different instances the /all/ page is different for different instances. This means that when a thread reaches /all/ on a specific instance you will get a lot of their users showing up at the same time. This is true of all the large instances, lemm.ee and lemmy.ml pour into our threads all at once when they reach the top of their feeds, but it's different for every site so you get this outcome where a lot happens all at once.

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[-] puff@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

'Brigading is when you federate and then use the federation feature. I am very smart.'

[-] dolphin@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

You're brigading too. So is OP ironically.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When we talk amongst ourselves we're an echo chamber.

When we talk to other people we're brigading.

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[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago

Everyone point & laugh at the sad tankie in this thread.

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[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

No shit. Western training and equipment is not fit for purpose. Acting as a colonial cop by bombing with impunity ≠ attacking the strongest defensive lines of the 21st century. All their wunderwaffe just gets blown up by mines or drones.

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[-] Zrc@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

doing my duty by brigading (commenting on the number 1 post on all)

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