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[-] Comment105@lemm.ee -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes. She didn't understand what the child was actually asking about.

Because to her, oxygen tanks are for other people who use them. To her, any information about it and the contexts of it is not relevant, it is not important for her, and it's not very interesting to her. To her it is a weird question, despite her stated interest in not wanting to make it seem weird. Normal people do not need oxygen tanks and don't need to concern themselves with them.

I want to really emphasize that all information like this is genuinely seen as trivia, and only gets to feel like it's really worth having someone knowing the very moment it becomes tangibly useful, and when the usefulness of the information expires, it becomes trivia again.

Respect for a researcher wavers in almost the exact same way, although a great achievement would be respected possibly for a lifetime if the public understands and appreciates it. Still, anything they learn after that is going to be treated like trivia again.

You want me to pump the brakes? Why would I? Our entire civilization is incapable of pumping the brakes on self inflicted and wholly deserved extinction by way of choking our world in the emissions of our desperate works to create decorative steel flowerpots and heavily marketed plastic garbage, because we cannot stomach the thought of feeding a man that does not create his share of junk.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Wow you're making some absolutely WILD assumptions about what the poster believes, and in generalizing it to the populous. You'd win Olympic gold in long-jumping-to-conclusions with the distance of that jump.

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

All that knowledge is trivia, dumbass. It's just that to people like you and me, it's worth having anyway. We're scientists. We're nerds. Trivia is our stock in trade. People don't do research on how smart corvids are or whether there was life on Mars millions of years ago because humanity needs to know, they do it because they personally thought it would be cool. If you think climate scientists are any different just because global warming is an existential threat, you should get out more.

I want more people interested in science as much as you do, but we should absolutely NOT do that by distancing ourselves from the idea that science is trivia, or that things that are trivia are not worth learning about. Nothing about deep-sea creatures and ecosystems are relevant to humanity's survival, but they sure are cool. People might not like learning about it, just like the lady in this post might not like learning about oxygen tanks, and that's their loss. Some areas of science are more important to the everyman than others, climate change being one of the biggies, and teaching people the basics they need to know to defend themselves against shitheads like Ben Shapiro is IMO something that ought to be done in schools. But people don't become scientists because they serve a higher calling to the knowledge of humanity. They become scientists because trivia interests them. It's interesting to a lot of people, and the sooner we stop shaming people for being into nerd shit, thr more scientists we'll get.

our wholly deserved extinction

Speak for yourself, asshole. Call for corporate regulation, don't blame all of humanity equally.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Speak for yourself, asshole. Call for corporate regulation, don’t blame all of humanity equally.

Sure not equally. But go into any thread on this topic and talk about what individuals can do to minimize their own impact - because the reality is that we all need to shift on it behaviors not just corporations (even if they are the largest by far) - and then come back and tell me how confident you are that it isn't all humanity.

It's shocking to me how many people deny climate change, but it's even more shocking to me how much push back you get from people about actually doing anything individually, when they realize it is happening.

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The reason we shouldn't be pushing the message of "understanding the world is not just trivia" is not because it's wrong. It's because people would not be responsive to it.

Besides, there are far more fundamental structures to prioritize understanding before getting into the varieties of aquatic lifeforms, which do become pretty trivial. If a category of fish does something that significantly impacts something important, that matters. You have a role to fulfill as an informed voter, with a responsibility to participate in ruling your territory well. If you have a working understanding of how and why this shit works as it does, you can be reminded of that important function when they are threatened by dangerous interests. Whether or not you personally recall all their colorful patterns and names of the fish without looking them up is not as important.

As for our ruination, I don't place blame equally. But as voters I do blame the majority of your friends and family, as well as my own.

But I stand by the idea that it is a deserved disaster, but further I think it's for the best. Ideally we don't bring our bullshit too far into the future. A few more centuries as we fade away is more than enough. It would be a disaster if we managed to keep growing into larger and larger civilizations for millennia, repeating the same behaviors at larger and larger scales with more and more to suffer it.

It's best if we all die out.