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[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Even if the fractions you provided are accurate, they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population. This seems to be a problem with conservatives, y’all are only concerned about quantitive measures.

What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I am not a conservative wtf... my body of work speaks for itself. What are you basing this clown take on?

they don’t speak to the qualitative benefit of educating a population.

This is benefit in the room with us right now?

All I see is increasingly improvised and indebted population, working longer hours, getting less benefits... people are not forming families. People can't afford rent.

Now show me this benefit you are talking about, dear!

What is the qualitative risk of an educated population?

Debt slavery which solid part of millennials is currently suffering.

[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You may not be a conservative, but you are in their community and share a stance with them on this issue so pardon the generalization but it’s still true.

“This is benefit” is not grammatically correct. Even if it was I have no clue what you’re getting at. Do you not know what a qualitative benefit is?

“Increasingly improvised” also makes no sense. I agree people cannot afford things, so it makes no sense to paywall knowledge.

What benefit would you like to see?

I think you’re arguing against the status quo, which I am too. But I’m not sure if English is a second language for you or not which may be affecting the efficacy of our conversation.

My apologies, could you please clarify?

My point being that it is ridiculous to withhold knowledge from the population. Ignorance is a detriment to society. Just because one generation did not dramatically improve when it was less paywalled doesn’t mean knowledge isn’t worth our society investing in.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

Not much of a response.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If we’re talking about altering society on a mass scale, you’re damned right I care about measurable outcomes.

I value freedom. I value economic consent. If you’re going to use centralized power to forcibly trade me something else for a loss of those two, the the other thing needs to be measurable.

[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wasn’t talking to you.

Who’s forcing you to be educated/uneducated?

You’re missing the part where the current system effectively forces the poor to remain uneducated.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You were characterizing what I value, as a conservative. I’m agreeing; I’m not interested in “qualitative benefits”, that are not also quantifiable. Use of government power to alter the world must be justified with measurable metrics.

[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The problem with your viewpoint here is knowledge is inherently qualitative and therefore cannot be quantified.

Government successfully provides other qualitative services, knowledge is but one (or should be)