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When did brute force switch from being an antipattern to the preferred pattern?
Any function is computable with a big enough table.
I am a well educated person who uses these forums and many others with regularity and I have many opinions on tech after working in both marketing and the tech sector for a long time.
That out of the way, I will simply skip over any comment that says "normies" unironically. Especially over and over.
This isn't fucking 4chan, communicate like a human like the rest of us. You don't get out of being one of us. I don't even know your take because it's so distracting and immature and condescending.
This guy gets it.
Incel lingo is fundamentally disgusting in so many ways.
It's really funny that they have no idea how profoundly their stinksock echo chamber has shaped their writing style, you can pick out their reek pretty easily in any sane conversation.
What does the word "normie", which is a derivative of "normal", have to do with incels, who are a subculture of unlikable people calling themselves "involuntarily celibate" (which can't be true if there are at least two incels near each other)?
There's a lot to unpack but I think you aren't being intellectually honest but that doesn't matter.
The label 'incel' was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most 'modern' incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.
'normie' isn't specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.
Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.
OK. I know that. So?
So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word 'normie' unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.
A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.
So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.
For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn't really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.
4chan's 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.
So when someone uses the phrase 'normie' like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.
Oh. I see. I thought someone wanted to communicate that "no time to smile" and "you should respect other people" thing to me which, eh, causes the opposite reaction.
If that is really, honestly the emotion and context implied from the word, I am going to ask you, as a non-native speaker, what should I replace it to refer to somebody "obnoxious"+"more normal than you"+"more social than you"+"consciously ignorant of details and proud of that"+"watching TV news"+"thinking one can be morally correct while logically incorrect"+"oblivious of their discourse not being the only one"+"judgemental" and other unpleasant traits of many people, connected to arrogance, ignorance and lack of empathy, but with the implication of those traits being hardly avoidable due to lack of experiences those "less normal" of us had.
I think it would be more helpful if you directly learned that most other people live much richer inner lives than you give credit for.
And frankly, MOST of the human race falls into some of your categories at points, especially the 'ignorant of details'.
It's better for your mental health not to stereotype too much or you'll end up a misanthrope like me.
Alternatively: you could use the phrase 'Knowlessman', as it was a legit derogatory label back in the day, and is pretty clear about its meaning right on the face.
It usually turns out to be less, because I tend to become overly excited about people. Anyway, you can't know what I give them credit for, I'm only talking about one part of their inner lives.
All of it, it's a relative thing. For, like I said, a medical professional I am an example of <word I'm looking for> often.
That's true, but not always avoidable. We need sometimes to put our brain into a certain state to solve tasks. And we can't switch it back for everything else immediately.
It doesn't quite grasp the part about deceiving oneself that some profession is much simpler than it really is, or some area of life, and so on, and reinforcing that with some tribal feeling. But OK.
It doesn't matter where it came from, if you're steeped in this kind of language it's a massive signpost that you've handicapped your own intellectual abilities in a profound way. Healthy, normal people with regulated feelings and stable perspectives grounded in reality do not frequent the communities that use this kind of language.
It's a red flag that will always make the outside world laugh and reject what you have to say, and if your instinct is to retreat back into the places that use this language, you are going to absolutely SUFFER in life, this is a warning coming from a place of compassion, you HAVE to believe me.
I use all kinds of language when it fits my meaning.
I don't think anything of what you said makes sense in this situation.
Do you honestly think your choice of words in this post led to you being heard and understood? Or do you think that everyone is just being mean bullies? THiiiiiiink hard about this one.
We need more people like you making this clear.
I saw what 4chan did to 'the other site', we DON'T need that shit here.
Also, as a logophile, your use of:
absolutely makes me as giddy as a schoolgirl
My unasked for opinion on the word "normies" - there are some real weirdies out there that got wires crossed and they sure don't revel in their undesired uniqueness. People who can't sleep for more than 5 minutes spans (she exists), folks sexually attracted to shoe horns, bros who can't feel pain and burn their hands touching the stove. Be happy most everything ended up where it should and working reasonably well - it's not a badge of honor to be an anamoulos fringe anything. I imagine it is painful and assume very lonely. Also there is nothing more fucking pedestrian than feeling uniquely misunderstood and alone. THAT is some normie shit.
Please be civil, and get off that high horse.
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Superiority complex much? I agree that the decisions are bad, but I wouldn't be so quick to blame it on "normies". Some of the people calling the shots are techies or ex-techies and they're just as stupid as the normies you decry in your logorrhea.
I don't think it's sane to consider yourself more intelligent than the rest of the world. We may be smarter than your average joe (citation needed), but not everyone working in the tech industry is a genius or even smart. We just have an area of expertise, like artists, doctors, plumbers, carpenters... And that is valuable in the modern world. That's already reason enough to be proud about what we do, there's no need for arrogance.
As one of those weird autists who make computing too hard who's been using Apple products for decades I really wonder where I fit in.
The answer is pretty simple. You are a "normie" with your own particularities, like every other human on this planet.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking like the idiot you're replying to that we are smarter than everybody else. In many cases, the dumb-dumbs calling the (stupid) shots are from within our ranks, or used to be techies, and that doesn't make them immune to errors. The arrogance in the person you're replying to is unwarranted, and they're just plain wrong.
We're not the chosen ones - we're just as special as everybody else.
Oh, I have no illusions that I'm smarter than other people at their chosen profession. Hell, I'm an idiot at my chosen profession quite often.
Though I do wish people would stop calling me a "miracle worker" and "wizard" because I can get the wifi working.
As someone tired of this shit you fit in just fine, I'm only approaching that stage but can clearly feel it.
I stopped at "normies". Lose the ego and grow up if you want people to listen to your opinions.
There's text after that sentence.
Not in your case, no