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They’re leftists. Like actual leftists, some of whom subscribe to the idea that capitalism can only be overcome through violence.
There’s a lot of “well if it’s our authoritarian it’s ok”
My real beef with them is the same as my beef with .Ml and Lemmygrad, little baby mods and admins that hit you with the instance wide ban for disagreeing with their opinions
More egregious is getting banned for pointing out the admins suck
That's not abnormal. Supporting authoritarian and totalitarian regimes means they themselves are authoritarian or totalitarian and just haven't been able properly exemplify the authority they feel they deserve
Considering how the US's CIA will infiltrate leftist groups to undermine and break those groups up, would that make the US an authoritarian state? And if someone passively enables authoritarianism through complacency then does that not make them authoritarians by default?
Read up on Operation Gladio if you want a peak at how deeply fascist / authoritarian the US truly is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I am already aware of the CIA's fuckery. It's no different than what the KGB was. They claim(ed) counter intelligence, but ultimately, their job is/was to destabilize to create political advantage. Career liars every last one of them
First, I see you disagree, and thank you for expressing your disagreement in a respectful way.
Now, with that being said, what evidence do you have that your media is no different?
And please understand I'm not being sarcastic or playing a game. I am legitimately curious of your perspective. I really wish to understand your perspective. If any other person tries to treat you like crap, I'll do my best to keep them from being shitty to you. Please feel free to explain your ideology in a respectful way and I will do my best to protect you from ridicule as well
Edit: also if I misunderstood what you're saying, please say so and I'll correct myself
There is also a bunch of books and historical records that point to the same conclusions.
But, sure, backhanded invectives that someone is brainwashed and stupid will sure convince people otherwise.
Who said stupid?
Edit: I changed it because it was me assuming. I don't want anyone to feel stupid. If someone called you stupid in my post, point them out and I'll take care of it (at least in my post)
They seem more like edgy teenagers cosplaying more than being anything like 'actual leftists'.
It can take some people a longer time to mature than others.
…yeeeaahhh….
Not defending ml but I can see how if you were born and raised in say Vietnam or China or had family members killed by NATO how you could see the USA as an imperialist hypocrite of a country.
What I don't get at all is how those people hold up fucking China as a bastion of human rights and ignore uighur (sp) genocide etc. But I guess it's the same as ppl in the US excusing Israel's genocide of Palestine.
The US is an imperialist hypocrite of a country. Like that is just a damn fact. As you point out though, the issues leftists, not in these spaces, have with places like hexbear, and ml, is the fact that they back authoritarian regimes like China. China who is in the process of the US playbook of economic imperialism with their BRI. They are committing a genocide, they are exploiting much poorer countries, to hold them in economic dependency, and they are discussing annexing land they do not own any longer, and haven't for a long time now. No I am not talking about Taiwan.
They are making so many similar moves to the US post WWII, and have an economy that is dependent on allowing capitalism, to the point that they have a billionaire class second only to the US. While the US is growing its police/surveillance state, China is leagues ahead on that one. The big thing China doesn't have, is something similar to the massive global infrastructure the US developed to be able to deploy, and supply, its military in a time frame measured in hours. China is trying to develop something along these lines, but it has the US/NATO super structure all ready in place, it will have to, at least partially, displace. This will not be easy.
Tankies aren't leftists.
Strictly speaking they are leftist, just extreme in a lot of ways. it’s the authoritarian aspect of it that I dislike.
In my mind, the idea of left politics is to democratize society as much as possible. Any type of Authoritarianism goes against that, including the idea of a single party with a single leader. It's anti-democratic, and therefore does not fit into the category of leftist politics, even if they call themselves left. No racist is gonna call himself racists. And fashists neither.
Then you agree with many hexbears. As well as there being plenty of anarchists, most people there believe in some kind of fundamental democratisation at multiple levels, rather than a single election with two parties and very manufactured dynamics every 2-4 years.
Not sure what you're trying to say, honestly. Democratic values == evil communism?
Are there no anarchists on hexbear?
Contrary to the other guy's made up assertions - yes, Hexbear has many anarchists, and they are explicitly welcomed as there's a heavy focus on left unity over purity.
Anarchists only exist to the degree their privilege allows them to feel like they have no need for any sort of authority.
I’m sure there are some there though, as long and they bring the right flavor of kool aid
How are you defining authority? My understanding is it's specifically referring to "power over"; via implicit/explicit coercion, threat, manipulation, and so on. I don't see why opposition to such uses of power, and the desire to build alternative systems which don't rely on such means, has to be a negative or "naive" or "unrealistic" thing.