324
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2024
324 points (98.5% liked)
politics
19089 readers
3795 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Can the Democratic Party stop openly fantasizing that it is the Republican party? Please?
Edit: don't be mad at me y'all. You DVn MFs are gonna pretend you knew this was a bad sign later on when it turns out I'm right so why not skip ahead to that part now?
You can be ahead of the curve for once
Nope, the Dems goal is to try and scoop up all the disenfranchised Republicans. They understand that the modern GOP is in their death throes, so they're happy to shift the Overton Window further right. Republican policy is what their donors want anyway, it'll be a lot easier to push when they're a coalition of conservatives and centrists.
The goal for leftists is to start organizing grassroots campaigns for Senators and Representatives now, so that once the Dems have finished feasting on the ghouls' corpse, we're ready to fill the power vacuum.
The Democratic party is what it has always been… progressive conservative. What we’re seeing now is that this is much closer to the ideology of traditional Republicans than what the Republican party has become today.
Right? They're actively courting moderate Republican voters, but those voters are to the right of right-wing Dem voters. At the same time, Dem Party is punching down at the left side of its own "big tent", giving in to none of the demands asked.
So far the only thing on offer from Dem party to leftists is derision and shame, and while shaming (and Trump fears) might work short term, if the Dem party won't budge the leftists will simply leave. Then one morning "moderate" dem voters will wake up to find themselves on the "extreme" left of the party they thought they knew.
Well, we know R and D have flipped sides of the ideological scale before… maybe when the current R self-destructs, actual progressive liberals and socialists can claim the moniker for themselves….
That's not what's happening here.
All of this is the Republican party dissolving. The "old guard" GOP is splitting from the MAGA-fascists, explicitly and publicly, not just in whispers behind closed doors or off the record and anonymously.
Imagine if the Republican party had split like this two years ago, actually forming up and running a "third party" candidate (I put that in quotes, because in this hypothetical, there would definitely be a fight about whether Trump or the postulated "old guard" candidate would be the "third party" one) in addition to Trump and (at the time) Biden. Splitting the vote like that would have the same effect, putting a Democrat back into the office of President, unless the combination would end up with no candidate reaching 270 electoral votes.
The same thing is essentially happening now, except there's no third party. Instead of fielding their own candidate, that old guard is throwing in behind Harris. The message being sent is "That's how bad we think Trump is, so bad that we're endorsing the Democrat." It's permission for life-long Republicans - who have been well-taught to stay in line behind R candidates - to reject fascism.
Of course the Democratic party is going to support and amplify the GOP falling to pieces, and rejecting fascism is a good thing.
I don't see why we can't both be right. The R's are fracturing and the Democratic party is moving rightward as it absorbs the moderate Rs.
Yes, they do. My larger point (mentioned in a separate comment) is, after the dust of the election settles, which voters will the Democratic party cater to? They aren't just gonna let those modeRate voters sit and spin, right? Leftwing Democrats are democrats too and they've been hoping for a chance to pull the party left. Things important to leftists are kinda getting ignored this campaign in favor of hard right Dems, and leftists of course must vote for kamala and hope to use their voices, after getting her elected, to try n move the party left.
For leftists, watching the DNCs embrace voters to the right of the entire Democratic party is like watching that dream die in real time.