Question: Better Alternative than CC BY SA (programming.dev)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by tengkuizdihar@programming.dev to c/opensource@lemmy.ml

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I'm interested in copyright licenses, especially open source/creative commons. It's definitely a rabbit hole to sink into. Right now I'm reading up on a case https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Drauglis_v._Kappa_Map_Group,_LLC. It basically said, a CC-BY-SA will not be applied to a "collective work", where your art/asset are used in a "compilation" of some sort. Like a photograph in an album, the photograph can't be considered "derivative work" as long as it's not being modified.

One question arises, is there a CC-BY-SA with better coverage which also includes collective works?

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[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

What does "better coverage" mean? A compilation or collective work is not a modification and is exactly what the license allows. Do you want hinder that? Can it be called Open Source, if you don't even allow the distribution of your work? First it would be good to know what your goal is.

[-] tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

How about a license which will also make the collective work into the same license as the work itself? Coverage as in it could reach more in terms of copyleft-ness.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago

I struggle with the goal here. If you don't want hinder anyone from using your work in collective work, then its basically already covered in the sense that it is allowed. I see only a reason to cover that, if you actively want to hinder your project from distribution in collective works. With CC-BY-SA the license allows the distribution of your work in any collective work.

Can you describe a specific situation as an example you want to solve?

[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

It's better for OP to explain, but from what I read they don't mind it being used in a collective work, but they want to make sure that collective work will also be CC-BY-SA. What from what they read it is no guarantee.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

So you mean like GPL to enforce same license when reused? I don't think anyone using works licensed as CC-BY-SA is allowed to relicense it under a different license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

ShareAlike — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original.

No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

CC BY-SA 4.0 is one way compatible with GPLv3.

It does mean that anything released under older CC SA licenses aren't, so they can't be used in GPL projects. And MIT isn't compatible at all.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago

Put simply this means you now have permission to adapt another licensor’s work under CC BY-SA 4.0 and release your contributions to the adaptation under GPLv3 (while the adaptation relies on both licenses, a reuser of the combined and remixed work need only look to the conditions of GPLv3 to satisfy the attribution and ShareAlike conditions of BY-SA 4.0).

Wow I read that. And it means one can take the CC-BY-SA 4.0 work and relicense it as GPLv3. Its' not just about being compatible in a project, it literally means re-licensing is allowed. But that is only for the adapted work. Meaning if you change something from his work, you are able to release your work as both licenses. While the original untouched work is still CC-BY-SA 4.0 only. So a collection has no rights to make changes to its original license.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It means a GPLv3 project can use something licensed as CC BY-SA 4.0 by converting it to GPLv3, as is required. E.g using a CC BY-SA photograph as a background or a splash image in a program.
And while you technically can't take the original, yeah, practically everything except "here is the image file alone in a folder" counts as modifying and a derivative work. Resize it, crop it, change a .png to a .jpg etc - all modify the original work.