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Iran says it has right to defend itself after Israeli strike kills soldiers (www.bbc.com)

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[+] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world -19 points 2 weeks ago

How many of these brutal wars were started by Israel completely unprovoked, and how many of them were started because Israel's neighbors F-ed around before finding out?

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not talking about wars. I'm talking about Israeli apartheid, all of which was and continues to be enacted exclusively by Israel.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Arguably, all of them involving Israel were started by Israel. Colonists coming in and buying the farm, then refusing to hire the local non-jews who traditionally worked there, is going to provoke a response. They knew this, and it's why they formed militias to attack them and use the response as justification to expand militarily. These militias were formed into the IDF when Israel officially became a nation.

Sure, you can also argue that buying up the land and not hiring the locals was "their right" but you can't really complain when people lose their ability to survive because some foreigners come in and take away their jobs.

Israel has continued this policy of forcing a response from their neighbors and then using this as justification to use much more force to take more territory. Its not happening by accident. It's a strategic move by Israel to provoke their neighbors, yet somehow people like you say the neighbors should have done nothing. Maybe Israel should do nothing. Who's justified?

[+] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world -6 points 2 weeks ago

Depending on how far back you want to go, the Jews had lived in Israel for a long, long time before even their revolt against Hadrian in 135 AD. As for the first colonists returning to the territory in the 19th and 20th centuries, those Jews were facing persecution in their homelands.

Did Israel provoke the Suez Crisis? Did Israel provoke the Six-Day War? Or the Yom Kippur War? The 1982 Lebanon War? All of the times that militant groups have attacked Israeli civilians?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

The Suez Crisis I'm not sure on, but the six day war? Literally yes. Israel knew Egypt wasn't going to attack and yet chose to do a "preemptive strike" anyway. Yom Kippur was then started to take back the territory lost in the six day war. As for the invasion of Lebanon, even if we accept that the PLO's attack was anything but provoked by Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing, you do realize they didn't just fight the PLO right? They then occupied a country that did nothing to them, causing among other things the creation of Hezbollah.

[-] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago

the six day war? Literally yes.

Egypt knew that they'd be attacked if they blockaded Israel by sea and did it anyway. They then massed troops on the border, only to get whooped.

Yom Kippur was then started to take back the territory lost in the six day war.

Which was a war provoked by Egypt.

even if we accept that the PLO’s attack was anything but provoked by Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing,

Killing amassadors to foreign nations is obviously the correct solution to this sort of thing.

you do realize they didn’t just fight the PLO right?

Syria has a long history of waging war with Israel, so yes.

They then occupied a country that did nothing to them

Other than kill over 30 civilians in a kidnapping attempt and try to kill their ambassador.

causing among other things the creation of Hezbollah.

Which wouldn't be as strong today if Iran wasn't supplying them. Iran has also been an enemy of Israel for a long time.

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