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Yes, the system sucks, and we should do what we can to fix it.
What is also important is Order of Operations. It will be much harder (if not impossible) to effect any positive change on the systems that be if the orange orangutan wins the election, while those changes will be at least possible under the leadership of the blue candidate.
I like to think that people who are not able to figure this out are victims of republican/russian propaganda. To think otherwise would be both depressing and enraging and I have too much of my own shit going on to deal with any of that.
I don't think you can end up anywhere good by bargaining with genocide. "Sucks" doesn't even come close to describing such a system. The order of operations you're talking about sounds to me like: 1- elect the more decorous monster 2- go back to ignoring all the suffering. I'll definitely agree that it's depressing, but it doesn't require any foreign propaganda to be that.
Thank you for saying this. If we keep choosing the 'lesser of two evils', we just keep allowing things to get worse, albeit more slowly.
So you admit that the options are literally "get worse slowly" or "burn it all," and you would rather see everyone suffer? Cool. No wonder everyone loves far-leftists.
I would rather not see innocent people die.
And you actually believe that not participating pushes towards that goal? Or can we live in reality and admit that it just makes you feel better while having the opposite effect?
Not participating in a system which murders the innocent is, indeed, the moral choice.
Prevent fewer deaths or witness more deaths. Not participating is a choice but still a choice at the end of the day with blood still on your hands. So get the fuck off your high horse.
Yes, I agree, not participating in killing innocent people is a choice. It's also the only choice.
The interactions I've had with people labelling themselves as 'progressive' have tended towards being negative. What do you want to progress towards? A world built on sacrificing innocent people, I imagine?
I want fewer people to die, but people like you believe that your feelings matter more than their lives. Of course your interactions with people like me have been negative: you're fighting for death through inaction.
I believe the lives of the people being killed matter.
So you're ensuring that it happens faster? Weird flex, but OK.
How so?
Not participating is still contributing to the genocide, champ. Hence still having blood on your hands.
Everyone loves civilians in the Middle East too, so much they send them explosive gifts.