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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

I am an AAPI. I already know no candidate gives a shit about me. Hell, it says something when frigging Yang seemed palatable for like... five minutes. And with the way geopolitics is shaking up? If you thought the anti-asian hate was bad during the lockdown parts of COVID, just wait until we are in a cold war gone lukewarm against china like we are with russia.

And that is why a lot of AAPI folk kind of go right wing. They, like their parents, decide it is easier to try to ingratiate themselves wit hteh white supremacists than to show solidarity. But the rest of us? We rapidly learn that there IS no solidarity with us because we are "model minorities" and get told to shut the fuck up when more important minorities are being discriminated against.

But also? That isn't the only issue. There are AAPI women and AAPI lgbtq+ folk and so forth. And thus, you actually look at the issues and vote in your interests even if neither party really gives a shit. Because you have more than one issue (and, even that, one party is still a lot less shitty)

So if "Well... neither is great but one is a whole lot worse in these very concrete ways" isn't working?

You get a celebrity influencer to say it. Like Sanders.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

We rapidly learn that there IS no solidarity with us because we are “model minorities” and get told to shut the fuck up when more important minorities are being discriminated against.

Its like the trolley problem exemplified. Blue-dog democrats be like "well someone needs to get crushed under the weight of this thing".

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yes...that's the point of the trolley problem. Someone does get crushed.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

The crushing is the point, yes.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

And you get to pick how much crushing happens.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

And you get to pick how much crushing happens.

Which sounds like gloating from people who saw all the people tied to one set of tracks and used it as an excuse to tie that one guy to the other track.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

And that is NOT how the trolley problem works. None of us tied anyone to the tracks. There's no one else. There's just people on the tracks, and a trolley, and a lever, and you. All of the set-up happened before you got there. You are only able to make a decision about the lever.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And that is NOT how the trolley problem works.

That's because it's an abstract thought experiment. Here in concrete reality, Democratic politicians are willingly selling weapons to a genocidal apartheid regime, and refuse to stop. They could untie the guy any time they want, but are super worried that the guys who tied everyone else to the other set of tracks might not like them if they do.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't matter. All YOU can do is pull the lever, or not. You can't change who's on the track. You can't remove the trolley. You can't untie the people or lift up the tracks. In this sense, the trolley problem is almost a 1-for-1 representation of voting (in a swing state, at least). You can pull the lever, or not. Those are your options.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn’t matter.

To people who get what they want no matter the state of the lever.

I voted for Harris. I'm not going to proclaim that your genocide is the moral genocide just because you demand that I do.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

So you pulled the lever. End of thought experiment.

Yay! You made it!

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'd tell you to not be condescending but you will never be anything else.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

In your case, it's because you often pretend to be dumber than you actually are, so I'm just playing along.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Condescending and abusive. Guess you can be something in addition to condescending after all.

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