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Yeah, having more than half the US population vote for fascism is the Democrats' fault, obviously. They should have changed their strategy so that people that like fascism vote for them instead of a fascist. Damn Democrats forcing Americans to vote for fascism by making the other half apathetic.
If at least the Democrats would have done enough to get the votes of non-fascists Americans, they could have won and spend another 4 years of status quo.
Go ahead and blame the Democrats because half of the US population has voted for fascism. It's partly right. But it also ignores the fact that whatever the Democrats would do, a very significant chunk of the US population is convinced fascist policies is the way to go.
both parties experienced depressed voter turnout compared to 2020. trump lost about 5m compared to his 2020 numbers, but the Dems lost about 20m compared to 2020. people are not going to get out and vote for a Diet Republican campaign that ignores their concerns to court a mythical moderate conservative population that both does not exist, and would not vote for them if they did. it's the EXACT same unforced error they made in 2016, and it caused a complete collapse of the democrat voter base.
I will. they ran an absolute dogshit campaign with no intention of winning, to appease their donors, which cost them the election. everything that happens under trump is on their hands. for a party supposedly fighting against the rise of fascism, they didn't try very hard at all.
They're also still in power until late January. Settling aside the very large question of "why would you willingly hand over power to fascists?", does anyone think they'll do anything to even make it harder for Republicans to do all the awful things they ran on?
Biden could pardon every person charged with a federal immigration crime tomorrow, with the stroke of a pen. He could then order everyone in ICE custody released immediately and fire everyone he can in that agency. If I was seriously concerned about Republicans deporting tens of millions of immigrants, this would be the bare minimum I'd do.
Trump got fewer votes than in 2024. Dems ran a pro-genocide empty suit that did not distinguish themselves from a disliked incumbent and got even fewer votes than Clinton in 2016.
And the party itself doesn't really care that they lost aside from how it impacts individuals' careers. They are not your friends or allies. They probably would've won if they just had Harris pander on Gaza and introduce 1 (1) major policy plank people could grab on to. She wouldn't have even followed up on either one of those topics, it would've just been the usual false promises and it probably would've worked. That is how closely they stuck to the donor class: they could not even construct their usual bad faith strategies. So instead you got Liz Cheney constantly on the campaign trail, lmao.
I've asked 4 Harris voters irl to name a single major policy plank and they each just plain went silent for around 10 seconds.
If you want to actually fight for yout causes, it is important to look at this with clear eyes. The failures of the Democrat political class are not your failures. They don't listen to you and you had no input whatsoever on theit policy platform or choice of candidate. You don't need to defend their failures or act like they don't bear responsibility for running historically unlikable campaigns and candidates. Just because there is a dang cheeto does not mean Dems are redeemable for what they do. It has been a year of naked genocide and they demanded your complicity and still lost.
To oppode the right it is necessary to join and build othrt organizations, organizations grounded in working class power.
So what do you propose should be done to combat the rise of fascism? Nothing? Roll over and die? If the popularity of fascism continues to rise you're saying the democratic party should continue doing the same thing that they've always done? Your defense of fascism is to continue the same political strategy that keeps losing to it?
It is, actually, when they were running a fascist with a blue pin. A tough on immigration prosecutor hanging around with Liz Cheney and promising to continue the Gaza genocide (with trademark democrat speak to make it sound like that's not quite what she said).
Obama bragged about being good at killing people, Hillary laughed aloud about the torture of Gaddafi for the crime of not selling his people to US corporations, Bill Clinton massively incarcerated black people labeling them super predators.
Half the US did vote for fascists, the other half stayed at home.
That was their strategy.
Yeah its like a bully beats you up on your way to school every day and another offers to walk you to school but while walking to school the bully knocks him down and manages to grab you before the other kid pulls him off and your all like. You did not do a good enough job as that grab was pretty scary so im going to go back to being straight beat up and its your fault I get beat up.
It is exactly like this except the guy who walks you extorts protection money from you and then you learn they're helping another guy kidnap so you don't want to walk with them. And then when the bully shows up the other guy just watches, and when you agree to walk with that guy he beats you too, now, but says the bully would beat you like, way worse now.
Bur apart from all that, yeah, same.
yeah and by learning you mean the friend of the guy who beats you up told you that. to think we go to facism just from bs and hyperbole. who know.
Far fewer than half of eligible voters voted for Trump. This election was decided by people choosing to stay home rather than vote for Harris. Trump got about 74 million votes in both 2020 and 2024, but Biden got 81 million votes while Harris got only 70 million.
Americans are not getting more fascist, Democrats are just completely failing at offering them anything positive.