It's literally 2016 but worse somehow.
One source close to the Harris campaign tells Rolling Stone they reached out to several staffers in and around the campaign to voice concerns about the candidate embracing Dick and Liz Cheney.
“People don’t want to be in a coalition with the devil,” says the source, speaking about Dick Cheney. They say a Harris staffer responded that it was not the staff’s role to challenge the campaign’s decisions.
A Democratic strategist says they warned key Harris surrogates and top-level officials at the Democratic National Committee that campaigning with Liz Cheney — and making the campaign’s closing argument about how many Republicans were supporting Harris — was highly unlikely to motivate any new swing voters, and risked dissuading already-despondent, infrequent Democratic voters who had supported Biden in 2020. The strategist says they also attempted to have big donors and battleground state party chairs convey the same argument to the Harris campaign.
Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative.
They didn’t vote because Harris ran as a republican. Run as a progressive if you want those votes.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/09/us-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump-republican
Harris did not lose because she didn't pull left enough. Lefties had nowhere else to go. She lost because Trump lied better
See, you're working under the idea that everyone votes for the candidate that's ideologically closest to them.
By that understanding, running against the furthest-right candidate possible, and triangulating yourself to be 1 inch to the left of them should get you the entire electorate, except for the tiny percent of people who are more rightwing than Donald Trump.
This is observably false, hence why democrats eat shit when they move to the right as they did in 2016 and 2024 (and in most midterms).
In reality, every time you compromise a position or means-test a policy, you lose votes. "New parents will get $5,000" will always perform better than "new parents who fill out a this form and are making less than $50K and whose SSN is a prime number may be eligible for a tax break up to $5,000"
Anybody who likes the idea of parents getting money will support the first, and anybody who opposes it will oppose both. But there's a big chunk of people who will like the first, and won't care about the second.
Same reason "Free healthcare" will always perform better than "subsidies for health insurance for pell grant recipients who open a business in an minority neighborhood that operates for at least 2 years"
So account for the people who didn’t show up. Harris lost because no one was enthusiastic about her enough to show up. Biden had millions more votes than Harris.
Trump got the same votes as last time. He convinced no more people. Meanwhile Harris got 10M less votes than Biden. She lost because she couldn't convince those 10M to vote her. When she courted Dick Cheney, it becomes obvious why. The people who would have voted for the Ds saw them correctly as now right of Reagan.
Harris lied?
Hahahaha....oh wait you're serious....BAHAHAHA. Harris didn't run as a Republican and you know it. And no permutation close to it either. And either you know it or you didn't actually pay any attention beyond "I saw her on the same stage as Liz Cheney so they must be pulling right". If you had paid any attention you would see that those last minute inclusions of Republicans was around the threat Trump posed to the country. They got up on stage and literally said that they didn't agree on most positions, but that the need to keep trump out of office overshadowed party alliance.
And given all that if you were actually progressive (and you know wanting to make progress) and being realistic you would look at the actual options and have seen which was as close as you could get to your preference and votes to move the needle in the right direction. Enough people didn't do that (or didn't agree with what I assume are our positions and preferences...very to the left of Trump for myself and presumably many others here) that we ended up with this mess.
There is plenty to learn but "HaRiS RaN As A RePuBlIcAn" is not one of them.
Maybe you were born yesterday, but I’ve been politically aware since the beginning of the neoliberal era. I remember Reagan & Thatcher, and I remember Bill Clinton’s triangulation and every rightward lurch the Democratic party has made since.
Scooby Doo style:
The boogeyman is a centrist who is neither left, nor right!
Pull mask off
oh it was a right-winger all along.
She fucked up. I thought oh shit she might be listening to Bernie when she picked Walz. Then she never looked left for another moment. She played center right and tried to, in the words of another comment, "scrape shit off a fascist's boot". I voted for her, harm reduction etc.
They fucking blew it. If we ever have a real presidential election again they better run progressive hard.
Can you believe her dad is a Marxist economist? I can’t imagine what Thanksgiving dinner would be like.
I imagine it would go like:
"Honey if you would have just...."
"I was vice president of the fucking country!"
"And even with that you fucked it up".
I voted for her. I’m just dxing the problem, which is enthusiasm. Stop apologizing for their shitty campaign. They should have continued to attack Trump and co a weird. Keep Walz at the front of the campaign. And run on ending the Genocide and improving people’s lives.
I felt my enthusiasm drop for Harris every time she made it clear that she didn’t give a damn about progressives. I still voted, but it is obvious that the electorate didn’t buy her bipartisan and it in fact depresses the electorate. The results speak for themselves.
She touted an endorsement from Dick Cheney, said she'd put a Republican in her cabinet, and said she'd pass Trump's immigration bill.
The Harris campaign was further to the right than Ronald Reagan was. She brought the Neoconservative movement into her campaign. She literally said the only difference between her and Biden would be that she would have a Republican in her cabinet. She's a prosecutor focused on "law and order" and huge supporter of cops. She said there were no conditions she would ever put on Israel. Her campaign mocked Trump for not building enough of a wall, and that she would be tough on immigration, without saying anything about child separation, solitary confinement for toddlers at the border, and violence against the most downtrodden at the hands of border patrol.
She absolutely ran a campaign that was nearly indistinguishable from a Republican campaign from 20 years ago.
That’s the latest talking point fresh from lemmy.ml
How does it feel knowing Lemmy.ml was right and .world was wrong?
Voters chose the right most option. Was lemmy.ml saying we needed to go further right?
Yes we said democrats need to unconditionally support a genocide. And yet somehow despite .world and the democrats being literal Nazis they still lost. We are astouded.
And the republicans that “unconditionally support genocide” won.
They also supported deporting all immigrants. For people looking for Fascism Republicans did a better job at it. Democrats ran Nikki Haley against Donald Trump when voters were asking for Bernie Sanders.
Republican ads told voters that Joe Biden was a radical leftist and his progressive policies were responsible for inflation. That’s what the voters believed. Imagine what voters would think of Bernie
Republicans call Democrats radical communist marxist stalinist leftists regardless of what policies they run on. Doesn't matter. Democrats chose to not run on progressive policies that are popular and address the material conditions that affect everyday Americans. Progressive policies that are also popular with Republican voters and would've instead fractured the Republican base, bringing more people to get out and vote Democrat across the board.
Polls on campaign messaging
How to Win a Swing Voter in Seven Days
“The View” Alternate Universe: Break From Biden in Interviews, Play the Hits in Ads
Polls on policy
How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind
Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support
Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies
Tim Walz's Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States
What the majority of voters believe does matter. That’s what decides the winner
That's why I linked a multitude of polls to show what the vast majority of people want...
Yup. Linked to a bunch of polls without making any claims regarding them.
NYT poll: 47% of voters decribed Kamala Harris as "too liberal or progressive" while 9% described her as "not liberal or progressive enough."
51% say Barack Obama is "too liberal"
Why do polls get it wrong? It all comes down to who participates in their surveys, how representative they are of the electorate, and how truthfully they respond, say researchers. Without accurate data, polls mean nothing.
Pollsters are "trying hard but they keep trying to be too clever," he said. "What we need to do is go back to basics and spend the time and money that it takes to do polls accurately.
Exit polls 2024: Deep economic discontent with Biden drove voters to Trump
Do you understand the difference between labels and policy?
I’m sorry I don’t have time to teach you. Take a class if you want your questions answered.
That was a rhetorical question. People want progressive policies that improve their lived experience. That goes for the majority of republican voters too.
Not according to the people who voted
It's as if the Democrats ran on a neoliberalism platform instead of one with progressive policies. Very obvious to anyone who looked at even a single source of the ones I cited about public support for progressive policies.
And as if you didn’t read any of mine.
I did. None of them are about policy
Then you didn’t actually read them
Go ahead and point to a specific policy, because your articles don't mention any. Feel free to use any of mine, where it's actually about policy
They are all about policy why point to a specific one if you won’t bother reading them. Not to mention that we are talking about what the polls say voters want and you are trying to change the subject to policy
Because I did and they don't lol. The fact that you can't point to a specific one is on you.
I literally linked them to you and you don’t bother reading them while trying to change the subject. Lol
Never mind us, she won, despite us warning that she might lose.
Republicans won. But now I know the lemmy.ml talking point
Republicans would have won regardless of which faction won. That's the point. Harris was further Reich than w bush.
Her campaign was further right than Reagan!
What do you mean by "Lemmy.ml" talking point? Do you mean Leftist? Marxist? Do you think Lemmy.ml just has meetings where we discuss stances to take?