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Trump win means ‘time has come’ to annex parts of West Bank, Israeli minister says
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There were two paths. One path was the dems, who I'll be the first to admit, not doing a great job with Gaza. The other, was Trump, who is buddies with Israel's prime minister to a first name basis, moved the embassy to Jerusalem specifically in support for Israel over all others and has proven to have nothing but disdain for anyone else in the region.
I'm sure the people in Gaza hearing the guy who is actively excited about their deaths really appreciate those who didn't vote "showing the dems" to swap out people at least attempting peace talks.
And frankly not voting to prove a point is like fucking for virginity. All you do is tell the politicians that have an interest against you they don't have to worry about you, you won't vote against them either.
None of that makes sense. If the Dems are just greenlighting everything anyways, what's the point for someone who cares about Gaza?
If the Dems are taking victory laps on a failed economy, what's the point for a working class family?
If the Dems are actively courting the conservative family members of war criminals who lied to us to kill 4,000 Americans, what's the point for antiwar activists?
There is not two paths when the Democrats are acting like this.
Dems have been going for peace talks. Again, not great, but bout to find out what greenlighting everything really looks like.
Failed economy, inflation was across the world, the US came out of it better in this administration than the others. Dems were pushing to get money for first time homeowners to try to get houses, get minimum wage raised, and to dial back student loans. The Republican House had blocked every step of the way but the movement went. Instead we got the guy who is buddy buddy and wants to put in the place to deal with government spending the guy who's a union buster and wants to kill paid overtime.
The conservative family members. I got no answers, like holy shit the worst commendation you can get is from Dick Cheney.
But all of the above is put best "A vote is not a valentine, you're not professing your love for the candidate. It's a chess move for the world you want to live in." Whelp, the move made was to put us into checkmate. Hope you like the Republican ideals, because if MAGAs can be dug out of the other branches of government, if the US continues as it always has and the scales don't completely fail, we're still going to have an ultra-conservative Supreme Court for what is likely the rest of our lives.
Going for peace talks? They fully supported Netanyahu's every move. Biden said the word peace and sent bombs that are literally nicknamed block busters.
If the Republicans are blocking economic reform then that's the message, not one of victory and whining that people just don't get it. All the average person heard was how proud Biden was of the economy. Meanwhile the working class is drowning in an affordability crisis.
The chess moves must at least be moving in the correct direction. Or in the Bus analogy, you don't get on a bus to hell just because they're both going there.
Whelp, either way, got what you wanted, dems lost. Hope your high minded ideals on sitting aside helps us not be on the bus to hell, because you're still living here and the consequences aren't going to walk past you and yours with "Oh, you didn't vote? A'ight, you get to sit this thing out."
The people who didn't vote aren't dumb. They either don't believe they're in an impacted group, or don't believe the Democrats would be meaningfully better. It's really that simple.
I agree with everything you're saying except for this part. A lot of voters are very dumb (they mostly voted for Trump and he is planning tariffs that will tank the economy, including for them, for example). But, the Democrats also need to adapt to the voter base and the issues they care about. I think both things can be true lol.
That really depends on how we mean dumb. I just mean generally. But yes in the way that we're all dumb about things we don't educate ourselves on, voters are generally pretty dumb on politics. They vote mostly based on messaging and vibe. But they aren't dumb in the way that you could lie to them about how the economy is currently affecting their life. And Biden was either so detached from the common person he didn't understand the problem, or he tried to gaslight the public.
Fair. I think this graph of the personal savings rate the last 5 years explains everything. Both Biden and Harris were fighting an uphill battle against these numbers the whole time.
Notice how everyone's savings goes up during pandemic relief and then tanks as those benefits end and inflation continues to stay high?
And that's where I'm in constant disagreement. If this was a minor situation, I'd be probably more chill about it all, but the whole not thinking they're going to be in an impacted group is a thing because the groups that will not be impacted in this is so small.
Have coworker who just realized his being on his dad's insurance is because of ACA. Have a coworker who was complaining about price of soybeans because his family was in that, that was Trumps last trade war with China and he's wanting to start a bigger one. The Republicans wanting to deregulate most industries will affect internet, food, unions, etc.
The things people complain about the democrats not standing up to the republicans have actively opposed. Been a final line in the sand for the massive sweeping social changes the conservatives have wanted to do since Nixon and Reagan.
My arguments have never been "love the democrats", it was "we just tossed the foxes into the henhouse."