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Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

It's not pretty but this is how the world works. If a man is holding a gun to your head, and says he'll kill you if you don't give him your wallet, do you hold onto the wallet out of principle because robbery is immoral?

[-] sol@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

The man with the gun to his head doesn't have much of a choice if he wants to live. You, though, have a choice between criticising and defending the man with the gun, and you're choosing to defend him.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Bruv you're not this dense. NATO, an alliance constructed for the express purpose of destroying Russia, which did not disband when the USSR was destroyed, which continued to advance towards and encircle Russia for decades after the fall of the USSR, which refused the RF's attempts to join the alliance, which has engaged in numerous illegal wars of aggression, is the man holding the gun and I swear to god just because you were born there that does not make them the good guys.

[-] timespace@lemmy.ninja 5 points 1 year ago

Ohhhh, I get hexbear now.

Wow, what an amazingly terrible worldview.

“I told you I was going to rob you if you tried to defend yourself, it’s your fault.”

[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's the genesis of the word "tankie", much misused today: they say they are communist, but then advocate for the law of the strongest and can't conceive of an alliance that isn't more than vassalage and sending in the "tanks" against their allies to ensure they don't fall out of line. That's why everyone ran away from the Warsaw Pact when it ended whereas NATO endured.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It's actually appalling how much seething hate they have towards communists

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Alone, you do what you do to stay alive.

That's why the world and people need its alliances, unities and consequences for harmful actions. The world doesn't work by giving up to the worst offender.

Russia is holding a gun to Ukraine's head and saying it'll both kill and take everything.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

The world doesn't work by giving up to the worst offender.

Yeah it does. Everyone does what America says or America either coups their leader or launches an illegal war of aggression and starts slaughtering their people. I

[-] Gsus4@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lol, thug ethics. AKA offensive realist geopolitics. The great do what they want and the small accept their fate.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Jesus christ bro Realpolitik is all there is and all there has ever been. When you live on a planet where a bunch of gerotocratic psychopaths could push the big red button at any time you don't play games. You know America is the baddies, right?

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

There is no ethics between capitalist states, there are only stratagems for how to exploit everyone else and not get exploited yourself.

Rhetoric about liberal world orders and rules and ethics are just propaganda to keep their own people complacent, like providing indulgences to themselves. They are wildly inconsistent and the self-named "good guys" carry out the absolute worst violence.

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