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Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?
How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?
What does calling people dumb accomplish? Get them to hate you?
Why don’t you do something productive like help them recognize scams?
It socially shames you into making better choices.
If you were dumb yesterday, you can be not-dumb tomorrow if you admit to yourself that you were dumb.
It's called personal growth, you won't see it anywhere on .ml or whatever cesspit you dragged your opinion from.
Honestly, I think this is one reason why the disinformation networks - hate radio, Faux Nooz, the bro-ed up magaverse online, etc - is sooo effective.
It used to be socially painful to make stupid choices and to show fealty to really stupid things, like the Republican Party. Now, instead of these people having to go into a corner and nurse their wounds and maybe reflect, they flee into the irreality bubble these things provide, AND THEY ARE VALIDATED in there. They experience no painful shame, or at least not for very long.
When has this ever worked xD the vegan school of recruitment will ensure nobody votes for democrats again, people don't like being shamed for shit they believe by people who think they're superior in every way
All things are not equal.
"You fell for a scam" does not feel anything like "somebody else thinks the normal choice backed up by the whole of human history that you also made is immoral."
Shame is a tool, and just like how you can't use a screwdriver to fix a leaky pipe tools don't apply to every situation.
Shame is valid when a person is making bad decisions that cause harm to themselves and those around them, not when somebody else is grumpy because we like fried chicken.
See other post. I voted for Harris. I thought an insurrection was enough to convince the populate not to vote for a traitor and I was wrong.
Socially shaming people doesn’t all work. It made me NOT vote for Clinton in 2016. What made me vote for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024 is every thing that happened during Trumps presidency. I learned my lesson then.
Democrats’ attitudes at the time, much like the person calling Muslims dumb, was a big factor in me choosing not to vote for Clinton back then.
I’m trying to prevent that same thing happening to other people - especially a voting bloc that can sway my state.
There are paths to personal growth that don’t involve being a dick to others
The person you're referring to didn't call Muslims dumb. They said "THESE PEOPLE" are dumb, referring to Muslims that voted for trump. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is reading comprehension simply not in your wheelhouse?
They are cherry picking the specific words they respond to. Which is a classic loser argument tactic that is employed to try and achieve a holier than thou position. See if they can somehow twist your words around to make it sound like you are forcing words into their mouth then they can play the victim. Suddenly if they achieve victim status that means you don't get to say mean things to them anymore. When really, socially shaming people does still work. There's just a lot of "coddling" that happens in online social media groups that allows people to massage their feelings in such a way so that they feel empowered to continue holding the same DUMB view points that got them shamed in the first place.
Yep. It was kinda cute how savagely they fought against a made-up position. Tilting windmills and all that.
Not sorry, stupid people need to be told they are stupid so they stop being stupid. Sometimes it means calling them out harshly. Get over it. Not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate flower that will wilt at the slightest disturbance. People are not made of sugar, crying won't make them melt. We have an epidemic of stupidity spreading around the world. America is one of the worst places for it and people like you that cringe at calling out stupid are not helping solve the problem.
Hard to do when they’ve decided the scammer is God and anyone who says otherwise is the enemy who deserves to die.
I’m not saying go talk to the hardcore MAGA cultists mate. I’m saying seek to understand motivations and be open to dialogue if they can be convinced (ie. Former democrats voters). All I’m saying is coming with “stupid” right off the bat doesn’t help anyone.
I do insult 45 because no matter what I do or say I’m not going to convince him. I think the Muslims who voted for 45 again in my state, however, CAN be convinced
Not everything has to be about teaching a lesson, sometimes it can be just an observation of a fact.
Trying to teach stupid people? Obviously, you've never taught. Try teaching a fish to use a unicycle, then get back to us .
Excuse me? Are you saying you gave up on your students?
Nope.
He'll yea those dirty Muslims and queers and commies and shit will never learn bc they're just so much more stupid than liberals, therefore why even bother appealing to them? Why bother trying to protect them?
This shit literally hurts democrats. This holier than thou shit inspires people who might have voted Democrat to not do that. Why are you an asshole to people who are so close to voting for you? It only makes people hate democrats. Maybe try actually arguing in good faith rather than assuming everyone who doesn't blindly VBNMW every election is stupid and evil?
I never said ANY OF THAT.
Get those windmills, Quixote.
Denying that you're guilty of that libshit doesn't make it any more tempting for anyone to vote democrat, and I say that as someone who voted for harris
The fuck are you even talking about? What "libshit" am i denying..?
So democrats should have done more to appeal to Muslim voters to make sure they don't vote for trump? Bc it sounds like you think it's Muslims fault not voting for their own eradication, rather than democrats fault for not promising to not eradicate them. And since you think they're stupid, it really sounds like you just don't think democrats should give any shits about Muslims, since they're just stupid trump supporters anyway
I'd say yeah. Fucking A.
Source, please.
I'm ChronosTriggerWarning, and I do not approve this message.
I'm gonna need some links of me saying this shit you're yelling at me for saying....
I'm of two minds: you've confused me for someone else's comment OR you've misunderstood, badly, something I've said.
"I'd say yeah. Fucking A" then what is even your point here? If you know Biden and Harris ran a shit campaign where they did nowhere near enough to appeal to Muslims, then why are you even here?
I'll post this again, since you clearly didn't see it when you posted it or when I showed it to you last
Calling people you disagree with stupid is an absolute shit way to get support. Again, if you think dems should be doing more to appeal to people other than the right, why in the fuck are you shitting on people who also think that? Acting like it's everyone else's fault you lost is gonna make everyone else laugh at you and never vote for your guys.
So I guess this is just a dead end of a conversation cx you're not gonna admit you and other liberals have a superiority complex over non-libs, and I'm not gonna accept that shitting on potential blue voters is the proper way to court them. Have a nice day, from the river to the sea 🇵🇸
Ok. I don't argue with children. Especially when they need a nap. You were entertaining, but this has grown tiring. Off to Ban Land with ye.
This is how you view non-liberals. This is the libshit I'm talking about. Are you gonna tell me some bullshit about how you're actually only talking about specifically the Muslims that voted for trump? Bc if that's the case, then surely you support more outreach and more good faith attempts to get Muslims to support democrats, rather than just calling them stupid, right?
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Wow. Cool. It's neither A, nor B. It's C: misconstrue. I guess Quixote was a prophetic nickname.
Now tell me what i think of liberals. And Christians. And Pacific Islanders. And black paraplegic Jewish Eskimo rodeo clowns... Because if you think that I'm lumping any demographic into that statement outside of stupid people, then you are exactly who I'm talking about.
There's a difference between ignorant and stupid. I prefer ignorance. It's just a lack of exposure to something, and it's easily cured. Stupid is stupid is stupid. It doesn't care about your race or gender or personal identity. Neither do i.
Are you a Muslim Trump voter? If not, then I'll wait for a Muslim Trump voter to call me out for the offense I've given.
I'm not lumping in jack shit buddy, you're just backtracking on the stupid Islamophobic shit you've been saying and backing up here. Again, since you seem to have a blind spot for your own comments
Again, if you're only talking about Muslims that voted trump, make that actually fucking clear instead of just saying Muslims are stupid and not worth appealing to (or "teaching", as you say since you're so much smarter than those savages)
I never said Muslims are stupid. I never actually said Muslim voters for trump are stupid (though i do think that.) I clarified that someone else said Muslim Trump voters are stupid, not Muslims are stupid. This whole crusade (pun definitely intended) you've gone on is completely misdirected, and kinda adorable. You're just virtue signaling so hard.
I agree that Muslim trump voters are stupid. And sure, you never said Muslims are stupid, but that's sure as fuck how your "teaching a fish to ride a unicycle" spiel came across. You're opposing the idea of trying to teach people to recognize scams, bc they're so stupid there's no point in trying. If the "they" you're talking about is just Muslim trump voters, try actually saying that instead of just implying something more bigoted and acting superior when someone interprets bigoted looking garbage as bigoted garbage. And just in general, try not being a self righteous asshat just bc someone doesn't 100% tow the liberal line, bc you and your buddies are really really bad for that, and again, it loses you voters and gains you nothing. But what do I know? I'm just some stupid leftie, not an ascended liberal white savior like your highness
In a conversation about muslims who voted for trump, calling "them" stupid is calling muslims who voted for trump stupid, because muslims who voted for trump are the subject. Since you agree with that, it is your poor reading comprehension that is at fault. You abandoned the context of the "who voted for trump" qualifier and went off on a rant about bigotry.
Why did you ignore the subject of the conversation, you know, the context, so you could go off on a rant about how elitist, and bigoted, libs are? That is the only way you could have come to the conclusion you did. You have to ignore that the subject of the conversation is not muslims but muslims + who voted for trump. This is on you. You are the one in the wrong.
Oop good point about the article, I forgot the comments I've been replying to have been on an article specifically about Muslim trump voters. Sorry, that was dumb and I should've paid attention to that in the first place
Hey, it happens, as long as you can look back at yourself and realize it, it's cool. Everyone struggles with this shit, I know I have a big issue with it myself.