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And how did that conflict end?
Did the ANC push all the white people into the sea?
It ended with truth and reconciliation. It ended with the ANC committed to peaceful transition.
I see zero indication that Hamas will lead Gaza in that direction. They are the polar opposite, becoming more militant and extreme over time, not less.
Who told you that we want to push Jews into the sea? Actually it's Israel who is trying to expell Palestinians once again from their land.
Hamas said that they would drop their arms once Palestinians get a state. If they are lying trust me Palestinians will go against them. Of course they going to get more extreme everytime Israel keep extending illegal settlement and maintain the blockade
It's in the Hamas charter. The organization is literally founded on the ideal that killing all Jews is commanded by Islam:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Can you also condemn Natanyaho use of the amaleks comparison? In the verse about amaleks it was asked for Israelites to kill everybody including infants and animals
Oh I'll happily condemn Netanyahu.
Yes Hamas is extreme and all the leaders should be held accountable once Palestinians are free. It doesn't change the fact that Israel is an occupying force and are currently killing Palestinians regardless if they are Hamas or not and Hamas and other groups are fighting the soldiers who commit those crimes. Unlike you are I don't support some crimes and defend other crimes
That is precisely what I meant by "they’re both wrong".
The difference is one is extreme due to being occupied with no one bringing justice to Palestinians and the other being occupier believing in their eternal right to the whole land. Palestine need to be unconditionally free with a real army which no partition suggestion allowing them to have. So if Hamas don't drop their arms, the Palestinian army would fight them
And Hamas is bringing no justice to Palestinians. Did Hamas invade and take Israelis captive to "bring justice to Palestinians"? Absolutely not, they perfectly well understood what Israel would do in return. That's what they wanted. This is the conflict Israel was propping up Hamas for. Hamas' job was to start the war, and they did.
While the 7 of October what a case of the end don't justify the mean, it is still an act of resistance. An operation can be both an act of resistance and terrorism at the same time. The massacre allowed to ruin the abraham accord which was meant to isolate Palestine from other Arab speaking countries, allow to inflict direct harm to the IDF and revived th debate about Palestinian land being occupied pushing many people to boycott Israelis products and other companies that support Israel and illegal settlements.
We all knew what Israel would do in response. History show us how colonial powers response to any retaliation with huge massacres. It doesn't make them justifiable.
As long as Palestinians exists and Israelis still occupy Palestinians land we will never find peace in the region.
I broadly agree, but the language of the original article is what I objected to:
That language clearly implies that the label "terrorist" is invalid.
EDIT: Just to clarify. We've seen this many times before.
The Muhajadeen who fought so hard to free Aghanistan from the Soviet Union had a just cause, and they were certainly resistance fighters. But they had no interest whatsoever in "freedom" for Afghanistan. They wanted to rule it.
That is the same accusation I am levying against Hamas. They are terrorists, and they are resistance fighters. But they are not freedom fighters. Their goal is to eject Israel and install an Islamist, anti-democratic state.