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really? I guess it might be different in the US, but liberalism here in the US is primarily governmental, you can be liberal governmentally, and socially progressive for example. Liberalism here in the US pretty much amounts to the founding ideas of the US government, so it makes sense it would still be around in some capacity today.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I guess it might be different in the US, but liberalism here in the US is primarily governmental, you can be liberal governmentally, and socially progressive for example.

Provided you're willing to make excuses when your party isn't socially progressive.

it depends on what you classify as socially progressive, but generally most liberals are going to be onboard with socially progressive ideas. Especially if well thought out and put together. They just don't publicly champion them because nobody really cares and it's not as popular, pushing support is more popular than just yelling about supporting it at the end of the day.

It's really hard to make an argument for removing the rights of people under liberalism. Unless it's something like fascism, where you're inherently removing rights, and therefore violating the principles of liberalism.

[-] antiykns@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 weeks ago

Liberals are capitalists and would be on board with socially progressive ideas as long as it doesn't hinder their capacity to make business.

The French revolution saw the rise of the rich bourgeoisie as opposed to nobility. "Human rights" include the ability to exploit others.

That is why they care so much about gay rights and postering as anti-racist. It doesn't cost them anything as opposed to decrease military spending, quit supporting american imperialism, reparation to first nation or universal health-care.

The role of the liberals is to give crumbles to the working class so they keep voting for the boss. Enlightened rulers.

Liberals are capitalists and would be on board with socially progressive ideas as long as it doesn’t hinder their capacity to make business.

debatable, i highly doubt you would ever find a liberal that wants to rollback workers rights so that we can better exploit workers. Liberals tend to be capitalist because capitalism espouses ideas of liberalism. Monopolies and oligarchies are not liberal by nature, so there is some innate level of restriction on this problem.

[-] antiykns@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 weeks ago

Monopolies and oligarchies are the mathematics conclusion of capitalism. Liberals tends to be capitalist because it's their first-world interest to do so. The minutes we're talking about defunding the army, they're whining.

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