this post was submitted on 06 Dec 2024
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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Huh?
Mark Felton Productions youtube channel recently covered the topic and it is a good place to enter the topic.
TLDR: much of german oligarch class made their money from slave labour during third Reich, that money was then used to rebuilt west germany and their children are currently ruling it. Old Germany families were also were able to maintain ownership of key industrial enterprises, zero punishment.
Allies allowed this to happen specifically, US, UK Swiss and Sweden with some further places like Argentina and Egypt.
Reddit mods esp in EU focused subs will also ban these discussions, it is not just lemmy issue.
And where have you been silenced om this topic? Or someone else if that's the case.
federalreverse
Hi. I banned you from !europe for 3 days, because you were arguing in bad faith. Cheers. 2 months ago sunzu2
As long as the key comments stay up, my work is done. Thanks :) 2 months ago federalreverse
What kind of "work" is it that you're doing? 2 months ago sunzu2
Providing historical context for the avg reader 2 months ago federalreverse
Phew. You must have a weird definition of context if "VW sucks at electric cars and may close factories" and "Porsche family built their fortune diring Nazi era" seem related. But I guess we discussed this. 2 months ago sunzu2
My comment was in response to the guy who was downplaying role nazis played in VW and still play to this day. Y'all keep framing like it ain't a thing... 2 months ago federalreverse
Nobody was downplaying Nazism. You were just 100% beside the point. The original comment (which I deleted) was literally just "Desperately clinging on to their Nazi roots, as always" (by DavidGarcia). Then GrandNagus replied that Nazism isn't relevant in the context of VW's current financial issues. And then you started replying. 2 months ago sunzu2
I took issue with "completely" whem VW's key shareholder is a nazi family who made large part of their wealth from being nazis.
I was not responding to the OP but rather comment specifically. Grandnagus is down playing VW's nazi affiliation that it is not relevant. Different mind can disagree but as long as historical context is left for readers to see.
Also their financial issues are self inflicted but the labour must suffer... Is this nazi? Or just human condition? 2 months ago federalreverse
The Porsche family is historically associated with Nazis. So far, so bad.
However, you seem to be alleging that they are currently nazis or supporters of fascism. And I don't see any public proof of that -- please do enlighten me.
Seriously -- no. It is 100% irrelevant, there are no two reasonable opinions here. What you're providing with such ferocity is not context relevant to the news at hand. If you continue on insisting that it is relevant, you make a very good case for a permaban.
Their financial troubles do not stem from them being racist. Their corporate logic is just the usual capitalist fare.
GrandNagus did not downplay their Nazi past, rather they tried to limit the discussion to a reasonable
It's the usual capitalist bullshit. Big corporates act like this all the time. If anything, VW being part-owned by the state of Lower Saxony means that they are more focused on labor representation (at least in Germany) than other corporates. 2 months ago federalreverse
2 months ago federalreverse
Hi. I gave you a 14-day ban from !europe, ban reason is "racism" but that's just part of the issue for me. I'd like to ask you to define for me what you mean when speak about the German "regime" 2 months ago sunzu2
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regime 2 months ago sunzu2
For more context you can read my body of work, it clearly covers this topic. Also, "racism" is the pretext for the ban, let be real here lol 2 months ago federalreverse
So, transparently, "racism" is not the ideal ban reason. I wanted to stop the discussion before it festered too much and didn't think too much of it. Sorry. I suspect "trolling" or "misinformation" may have been closer. I don't think there's a way to add a message to a (possible) unban, so I may not be able to publicly clarify.
I don't quite want to read your body of work. However, please clarify for me: Is what you're calling the "regime" is the currently governing coalition in Germany? Do you use that term in a neutral sense? 2 months ago
sunzu2
"and constantly accusing an entire political party of being “regime whores”"
you are misrepresenting my thesis but banning me... 1 month ago WrenFeathers
You admitted to shitposting. That’s why you’re banned. PoliticalMemes isn’t a shitpost community.
And nothing was misrepresented. If you misspoke, the onus is on you to correct it. But you leaned into it- multiple times. 1 month ago sunzu2
"You admitted to shitposting. That’s why you’re banned." thats not why but that's ok. i clearly state on multiple occasion within the thread that both sides are regime whores. you are misrepresenting my position... 1 month ago WrenFeathers
That is absolutely why you’re banned. I’m the one that banned you. I get to qualify it- you don’t.
Take a time out and chill. 1 month ago sunzu2
https://thebrainbin.org/m/politicalmemes@lemmy.world/t/334461/What-Undecided-Voters-Look-Like-To-Everyone-Else-Dropout/comment/3373455#entry-comment-3373455 1 month ago WrenFeathers
You’re free to appeal if you think his was unfair. But as of now- it stays.
And if you think I’m being biased, check the mod logs. I remove uncivil comments/posts only. Regardless of political bias. And if you knew how much of your stuff was reported that I/we left as is because it didn’t break rules, maybe you’d see things more evenly.
Come back in a few days and follow the rules. 1 month ago sunzu2
I am fine with a ban, but i don't like having my core position being misrepresented by a mod after a ban. the regime whore term is not specific for either party, it covers both sides. your comment implies that I am siding with one party and i can't correct the record. it aint right.
My staff is reported because people don't like the thesis and the delivery style, which is the entire point of the exercise here. People won't like their opinions challenged, especially from unexpected vector. I don't think that it violates actual rules with few exceptions (back and forth with people who do name calling). People are reporting me to censor the content so that's something to consider from a mod perspective.
Finally, shitposter is term dating back over 20 years, people regularly admit being shitposter. I have extensive posting history on this handle. I did not post in bad faith as suggested above. This is my thesis but I do keep it fun when off topic.
Either way, appreciate the time and the response. 1 month ago WrenFeathers
Trust me, I know why people report.
Both sides if this debate report things they don’t like. And i HATE having to say “both sides.”
You broke the rules.
I don’t enjoy removing comments, let alone users from this community. But the rules are there for a reason.
And yes… There are grey areas to them which in this, I try and exercise leniency.
If it helps- in the future, prefix your comment with things like “I think,” or “it seem to me that” so that it is phrased as opinion and not fact.
“It seems to be that liberals are ‘regime whores’”
I may totally disagree, but I cannot remove an opinion so long as it remains civil. 1 month ago sunzu2
So still no correction to the commemt misrepresenting my position? 1 month ago WrenFeathers
I removed your comments based on what you said, not what you intended to say.
Case closed. 1 month ago
Could you screenshot stuff because this was just illegible.
https://lemm.ee/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=14686436
It seems they've actually been more than fair with you.