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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

I don't think what you said is clear, but to the extent that it is, I feel like it doesn't make sense.

The Democrats don't need to lie in order to point out that Trump was being a lying piece of s*** when he talked about bringing down prices. That's true, they can quote him time and again, and media that is sympathetic to the Democrats could do the same if it chose to, but it won't.

Also, many Democratic politicians and centrist media are not people or companies that I would particularly describe as highly truthful. They say true things a lot more than Donald Trump does, but that's a rather low bar.

Finally, there are so many obvious things that Democratic politicians could do if they were serious about addressing the problem with expensive groceries. What if they push to raise the minimum wage and key it to the cost of living? What if they bust up the corporations that dominate the grocery store and food distribution industries? I feel like both of those could greatly impact the price of food.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ok let's play this out.

Dems say "Trump didn't bring down grocery prices. He lied." It really doesn't accomplish much.

The message people want is "Trump didn't bring down grocery prices. He lied. We would have brought them down." Dems can't say that because they know bringing prices down is hard af, prices are sticky, and there's a good chance they wouldn't have been successful. They may have, but there's no guarantee and they know it. Because that's how economics work. Dems can't say that message because they are beholden to the truth.

What they are left with is the much weaker message of: "Trump didn't bring down grocery prices. He was unsuccessful. We would have tried to resolve the supply chain issues, and would pushed for higher wages indexed to cost of living, oh and investigate price fixing by companies." It's weak, wordy, and relies on mechanisms that people don't care to hear about. They have to tip toe around what they can say because they are beholden to the truth.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

No, they aren't beholden to the truth. Many of them lie a lot.

If the Dems have legislation, they can float it and then either it advances or not, depending on everyone else. It's not a "would". It's a "we are trying right now, but the Republicans are blocking it because they like high prices"... Why would you ask the Democrats to apologize for the existence of Congress as whole? It makes no sense. People understand who has the majority and the White House.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They are beholden to the truth. To word it differently if it helps: they have to tell the truth, they have to be accurate, they have to explain reality, they have to explain how things work and why things don't work. It's the same reason left media doesn't hold a candle to right wing media. The right wing media can twist, misportray, and outright lie. But the left media can't, they are beholden to the truth.

I mean look at your reply. No offence, but it's the exact wordy reply to jump though all the hoops in order to be accurate that I'm talking about. It that doesn't hit. "We are trying" doesn't hit, people don't want that weak talk. "Republicans are blocking", guess what people don't want explanations, they want results. "Because they like..." holy cow you've lost everyone because they don't want to know about mechanisms, they want elementary speak like Trump does. Congress and how it works? Holy cow. People. do. not. care. People. do. not. understand. Add it all up and everyone has tuned it out. You are grossly overestimating how much people know and think. This is why Dem messaging sucks, they have to jump through all this just like you did (because they are beholden to the truth and being accurate) and the message doesn't hit.

I think I've said everything I can, it's just repeating.

this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2024
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