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[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I think it's more that they are broken (esp. on Wayland) and that they are closed source and that they are not pre-installed in Mesa and that they lack basic features such as GAMMA_LUT for night light on Wayland...

[-] Dashmaybe@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

To clarify on why it's especially terrifying, for the nVidia drivers to be closed source, they've been allowed to add binaries into the Linux kernel. Nobody but nVidia knows what those binaries actually contain.

[-] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The entire linux-firmware package is just a conjuntion of binary blobs from different vendos (one of with is AMD). This is nothing special.

[-] Dashmaybe@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, and I don't like any of it.

[-] Bulletdust@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, Wayland itself is still in a state of perpetual beta and lacks basic functionality regarding a vast number of features.

[-] kaba0@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

It comes by default on plenty of distros and people don’t even notice the change.

In the meanwhile, nvidia doesn’t support the linux kernel itself (though it is changing slowly) that’s why it can’t support wayland.

[-] Bulletdust@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except people do notice the change, as a workaround many still rely on certain aspects of X via Xwayland in an attempt to keep things running. Even Steam doesn't support Wayland.

Fact is, Wayland's been in development for a good decade or more, it's still in a state of perpetual beta, and that's a situation that isn't likely to change any time soon.

[-] kaba0@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

You do realize that the whole of meaningful architecture we have builds on, and often gives way for legacy ones? XWayland is made by Wayland, because obviously not every software will port overnight or ever. That’s a positive thing.

It’s almost like the linux community is not controlled by a dictator like Apple, where they can just say “we are using this API from next version, if you wanna work, port”. Wayland required a critical mass before it actually started flying - but it definitely flies now.

[-] Bulletdust@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Xwayland makes use of legacy features of X. If we were to compleately drop all aspects of X tomorrow, the Linux desktop would essentially compleately break and become unusable.

The fact is, at this point in time after 10 years or more of development, Wayland is still very much in a state of perpetual beta. At this point in time, and for the foreseeable future, Wayland involves compromises that make it unsuitable for many users.

Hopefully things improve in time, the problem is development is progressing at snails pace.

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