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So he's planning to rig the mid term elections.
Same as all the elections since Republicans stole the 2000 election. Voters suppression and misinformation propaganda have kept them in the spotlight.
I am confident that this most recent election was rigged simply based on how nothing has been reported on invetigations of the areas where the election deniers were running the show and Republicans are constantly projecting their worst behavior. The fact that they claim prior elections were stolen is a solid sign they were planning on stealing one and this would be the one because it aligns with Project 2025.
They will absolutely be leaning into more voter suppression and will be emboldened to alter the actual vote counts themselves to make it look like their voting ratio is even higher.
I also strongly believe that the last election was rigged, and am worried that no one really seems to be looking into it. Between Trump's own claims that he would win no matter what and Elon "It's just one line of code" Musk there is enough to be concerned with. Most likely, I think they simply didn't count a bunch of Dem votes.
Wouldn’t it be up to the FBI to investigate such things?
The FBI that has been is going through constant purging right now and kicking out non-trump ~~fascist zealots~~ loyalists? That FBI?
Yes but there needs to be some appetite from politicians, Dems seemed completely unwilling to entertain the idea it may have been rigged, perhaps out of fear they would be compared to Trump in 2020. All the noise about election rigging has been about people voting when they couldn't or dead people voting and the like, no one is really talking about simply not counting votes. Meanwhile, we're told that turnout for 2024 was relatively low, and yet the lines out of the polls that I saw were always heaving.
It’s hard to say without a better system in place for verification, but yeah I agree it’s a pretty suspicious set of circumstances. Republican bleating is almost always projection, making it doubly so.
I voted in Florida and it was really creepy that all the electronic voting machines were managed by a Republican, but not Dems.
Yeah, you know they're up to something because of their constaint screeching about dodgy voting machines.
They reduced the number of polling places and slowed down processes to cause long lines in Democrat-controlled areas. That suppressed Democratic turnout.
...or the individual states where this allegedly happened.
Congrats to TWeaK for helping prove me right about one of my election predictions though - that no matter who won a noticeable share of the population was going to believe the election was rigged. I was guessing upwards of 1 in 6 if Trump lost (aka about half of MAGA), fewer if Trump won (not because Trump was more likely to be believed to win in a fair election, but because Trump had poisoned the well of election fraud claims in 2020).
I ask this honestly of all the people who think the last election was fair: What did Trump have to lose by not cheating?
If he cheats and he wins, he becomes president and can then use Absolute Immunity™ to completely shield himself from the consequences of both the most recent election and also the 2020 election interference / coup d'etat that he was in court for.
If he cheats and loses, he goes to prison - probably for the rest of his life.
If he plays fair and wins, exact same outcome as if he cheated, only with worse odds for victory.
If he plays fair and he loses, he goes to prison - probably for the rest of his life.
Trump would have been a fool to not try to rig the election. He was already in deep shit, and he couldn't possibly get in more trouble than he already was. Cheating and getting caught in 2024 would have been like throwing gasoline on a raging forest fire.
Literally everybody with half a brain said for 4 years that Trump and his team, if not prevented from running again, would learn from their mistakes in 2020. And the lesson they learned wouldn't be "Don't cheat.", it would be "Don't lose.". Right after the dust settled, Republicans moved to disenfranchise voters specifically for the next election to give them the edge they needed to win this time around. They left no margin for failure this time, and I wouldn't have put it past them to have altered voting machines while they were at it. But nobody is looking into any of this because we're too concerned with not appearing like hypocrites.
The greater fool is the one who trusts a person who cheated and went unpunished to not cheat again.
Yes, this will be outright vote manipulation. Russia-style.
Simple question: Do you believe that election deadlines are meaningless and should simply be ignored, or do you believe that each county in a state can have different rules for how votes are counted without it violating the Equal Protection clause for the 14th Amendment? Because that's the heart of what Bush v Gore was decided on.
Based on what we know regarding the election, even if the last recount Gore had asked for had been completed and been official, he still wouldn't have won. Some media agencies have estimated that had the entire state been recounted under the new standard Gore wanted to use that might have led to him narrowly winning, but that's not a recount he ever actually asked for (and if he had and had done so earlier, Bush v Gore would have either gone the other way, or had to be justified on entirely different grounds since Equal Protection wouldn't be an issue and it was specifically the deciding issue expressed in the SCOTUS opinion).
I believe understaffing communuties that support the opposing party, gerrymandering, discouraging early or mail in voting, and other voter suppression is stealing an election. I also think that restrictvie deadlines on recounts thst exist only to hamper the ability to complete a recount is stealing an election.
Deadlines are fine when they are reasonable and things are running smoothly. But a deadline existing is not an absolute that cannot be adjusted based on a judicial order to allow enough time for the process to be completed properly.
The election was stolen in the steps before the recount stage because of voter suppression. Squashing the recount was just the cherry on top.
Yeah way more likely he's going to use mass protests as a pretext for Martial Law and canceling elections indefinitely.
He accused Zelenskyy of this, which to me says he'll definitely do it himself
Tinfoil hat time, but im more concerned that some kind of false flag would happen on a boarder city. Kill a lot of people, blame it on migrants, close the border, declare martial law, cancel elections.
An American Reichstag fire
Maybe, but I think it's more likely they'll want some pretense of legitimacy and rig them instead of cancelling them altogether.
Learning from putin
Like bombing an apartment complex.
the fix is already in.
It has been for years, especially if all this info about the extremely insecure voting machines, starlink, ballot manipulating code, stingrays, etc is true, which it seems to be.
I cannot for the life of me understand why none of the dems in power are talking about this election being fixed. Other countries have spoken up about the same thing happening to them. At least one has demanded new elections. There seems to be plenty of evidence that this happened in the U.S., so why would they refuse to acknowledge it? Do they think people won't believe them? They keep trying to play by rules that conservatives have long since abandoned. I just don't understand anything anymore.
Because they spent the last four years with the conservatives falsely claiming it for 2020 and want to look like they're taking the high road by accepting the results and making a big show about doing a peaceful transfer of power
Which is such a mind numbingly stupid strategy it literally hurts my brain. If there's evidence, follow it. God I hate this.
Notice "taking the high road" is always an excuse for inaction. "Never mind the failure to deliver, feel the moral superiority."
Yup.
I remain confused why 1) voting machines would have anything to do with Starlink and 2) why voting machines would be networked at all. Like, at all. It just seems like such an obvious and massive security issue. I could design a dramatically more secure way of doing electronic voting machines off the cuff that would keep most of the main advantages while eliminating most/all of the main issues.
Starlink will provide the Internet connection!