With that said, even if an Article 5 invocation won't bring the US into your fight, it provides a hefty infrastructure of value to countries in it. From basing, to logistics, to intelligence, to aid, it is valuable. Now the politics of it are complicated and the US can hinder some of that value, but it still means that in Europe if Russia provides an Article 5 reason, other countries in NATO can choose to help in various forms. That's not nothing. It's also faster and less arduous then negotiating individual defense treaties with neighbors and others.

So yes, overall probably still worth it. Even if just as an entree into other alliances.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i think the thread starter question is more about if nato is even about to continue existing

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

From what I'm seeing out of Germany, NATO isn't going anywhere. The US might not be a continuing part of it.

Also there's still an off chance China might play a part in Ukraine. They have Putin by the short and curlies, and could offer a better deal than the US for mineral rights. It might hinge on if Trump pisses off Xi with this trade war crap, or gets in the way of him taking Taiwan.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sure, in the way The Spiders From Mars didn't go anywhere after Bowie fucked off.