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Tim Walz says he and Harris were too ‘safe’ during 2024 presidential campaign
(www.theguardian.com)
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Fuck both of them. Only a progressive will go far in the party
Walz is pretty progressive, much more so than Harris.
Not enough though
I like progressive politics as well, but the fact of the matter is that we need centrist Dems/independents that will caucus with Democrats, ones that can win in swing states and districts, and while they may not entirely align with our goals it's at least a step in the right direction. It's going to take decades to undo the damage done by Republicans, and the unfortunate truth is that Americans saw Kamala as more extreme left than Trump extreme right (education seems to be a major issue) Democrats need a majority before any realistic change can happen. People are dumb, but that's where we're at, I don't want to sound resigned or accepting of this situation, just realistic.
I'm sure this time it will work 🫠
By all means, don't participate until your perfect candidate comes along.
Theres 'not perfect' and then theres participating in a genocide. The fact that those look the same to you does not speak well of you.
Anyone who belittles criticism with that "perfect candidate" shit has their perfect candidate already.
but the paragraph of centrist apologia that followed this indicates that this is less than truthful.
"Vote blue no matter who" has always meant "vote republican-lite and shut up." The last time centrists didn't get 100% of everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
No, trumpists who were never going to vote for a democrat saw her that way. centrists loved how far to the right she was.
We gave them a majority and as always they found enough no votes. No more excuses. They can gum up the works right now. They won't.
lol
I guess "dismissive" is about as civil as centrists get.
You purposely misconstrued everything I said, claimed I'm not actually progressive when you don't know a thing about what I stand for. Why would I bother doing anything but laugh?
You pulled a [half a sentence of shit I don't believe] but [long paragraph of shit I actually do believe].
You never engaged me in good faith, you immediately just tried to dunk on me. You aren't at all interested in having an actual dialogue, and I'm certain I'm more ideologically progressive than you, I'm just realistic about the situation, and scared about the future my daughter is going to have to endure, so excuse me for understanding that change is incremental, and being pragmatic.
Originally I was just trying to express that the Democratic Party is an incredibly broad coalition, especially compared to Republicans. To hold majorities in the House and the Senate appealing to swing voters with blue dog type Dems, is absolutely a good thing. Like Marie Glusencamp Perez (even though she voted to censure Al Green, which I do not like) I'd rather have them than Nazi fascists like Joe Kent.
The other point I was trying to make, was that according to some polling Donald Trump was seen as more moderate than Kamala. Right wing propaganda is extremely effective and, people who are perceived as more moderate tend to win presidential elections.
Anyway feel free to downvote me, and reply with a bad faith dunk.