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Firstly, they're not the same. Pretending that they are is beyond disingenuous. Secondly, segregation affected all institutions in a state. University, primary, public, private. Everything. This doesn't. It affects a single University and not even the direct student body--only those who participate in sports. It's also not segregate in nature--no one is saying "trans students can't attend school here" they're saying "only genetic females should count as female athletes."
You're right, there are like a dozen trans college athletes in the entire US. Good point.
It is segregation, they are saying trans women can't participate in sports unless they want to go get knocked out by actual men with actual male hormones.
Your whole take is so much transphobic bullshit.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, I guess. I feel I've done everything possible to disprove that, and at this point if you still hold that position than nothing can change your mind because you're reacting emotionally to the problem, and that's never--not once in the history of mankind--solved any of our problems.
You have done nothing to disprove that. Read the paradox of tolerance. Look up some actual science on trans women's body mass and testosterone levels. And quit arguing that it's okay for intolerant folks to deny other people their rights.
This is no different than racial segregation. And you twisted the racial segregation argument around to try and make your point.
Yeah whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.. okay
Yet everyone on here is telling you that you're wrong. And you know, when I look around and realize that everybody around me is disagreeing, I look in the mirror and realize oh maybe I'm the one being an asshole
You don't need to layer more shit on the question until you can justify yourself, just answer the question. If UPenn was told to stop black people from playing sports, would you think it was correct and good for UPenn to conform because most of their students are not black athletes?
Since you won't acknowledge your red herring even after it being specifically pointed out I just have to operate under the assumption that you're being disingenuous purposefully. Since no discourse can even be had here because that's not your intention to begin with, why would I continue this?
It's pretty obvious that you disagree, and that's fine. I'll flip the script and shoot you a non-red herring in return but I'm really not going to bother responding, because I don't feel like you're here for any reason other than to wag your finger on your high horse at others perfectly reasonable opinions;
Do you believe that UPenn has the right to expel students who protest the war in Gaza? Can they unilaterally stand up and say "any student who protests genocide is expelled."
I think that would be pretty fucked up. Hopefully you would, too. Which is why I think it's best that Universities should be protecting the rights of all their students and not get involved directly in politics. They need to stand up for their trans students, but they also need to be there for their student athletes who have no personal objections to trans students, but don't think its fair they get to compete in sports which are not for their birth gender. Which is a perfectly reasonable objection. Some of these women athletes work their entire lives to be seen by professional recruiters and if they're outshined by controversy from trans athletes and the debate of whether or not they should even be there in the first place they could be passed up for entire careers. All things considered, they're not crazy to give pause...and why Universities should have non-gendered leagues for sports where anyone can play regardless of gender. Why we reduce sports to male and female is so fucking stupid to begin with and such a stupid thing to fight over.
It's a complicated issue with no black or white line. And you pretending like there is either wholeheartedly proves your mental immaturity to not be able to see other's point of views at best, and at worse confirms your ignorance beyond any reasonable doubt.
That's literally not standing up for rights. Their rights don't extend to dictating who else can play sports because they think they'd be too good. Hey, you know another group that some people would claim, for some pretty suspect prejudices, they are too good at sports? Black people. There's certainly a much more disproportionate number of top black athletes than there are top trans athletes.
Fucking lol, wall-of-text-man who still couldn't explain precisely why he won't answer the parallel question and has been universally downvoted since he explained his position enough to make the transphobia evident. Hopefully someday you'll be embarrassed of your present self.
Yes it is. You can't "stand up for rights" by infringing on another's rights.
They’re not dictating who can play sports any more than they always have. There’s already a female league, which inherently means men can’t participate. Are you going to argue that having a women’s league is against the law or discriminatory in the first place? If that’s your stance, then you’re essentially agreeing with me that universities should transition from a gender-based system to an open, non-gendered system to be inclusive for all students--not just those who fit into clear, traditional gender roles. By doing that, literally no one would have any room to complain about transgender inclusion. It’s the obvious solution to everyone’s issues, but as a society, we’re so fixated on who has a penis and who has a vagina that we’re completely overlooking the simplicity and fairness of this approach. The best part is that it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights in the process...everyone is equal, everyone can participate and play, no one is excluded.
It’s almost as if people are free to have their own opinions about things, even when those opinions don’t align with the majority. Strange, right? Populism doesn’t bother me—it’s just the system functioning as it should. Frankly, I’m not impressed when someone holds the exact same opinion as a dozen or so random people on the internet. The fact that you think that’s how it should be is... odd to me. The way you feel things ought to be and the way they actually are will almost always differ. The reality is that even students who hold racist, sexist, xenophobic, or transphobic views also have rights, and you can’t trample on theirs without opening the door for everyone's rights to be trampled on.
You can’t protect rights by taking them away from others. That’s not protecting rights--it's just making yourself feel morally superior. It would be fantastic if trans individuals could compete without anyone having an issue with it. I’d fully support that. But that’s not the reality we live in, and denying that reality doesn't help anyone, least of all trans students. Sitting behind your keyboard and declaring, "Things should be this way!"--even when that approach grants rights to one group by stripping them from another--helps absolutely no one. Using the justification of "haha, he’s getting downvoted, so that means I’m right!" is just plain silly. Sure, it might be an unpopular opinion, but that doesn’t determine whether it's objectively true or not. Truth isn’t decided by popularity.
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It's almost like this is a serious issue and deserves more than 140 characters. Why you think that's a bad thing is pretty fucked up. You're not the advocate you think that you are here.
You need to look up the paradox of tolerance.
Allowing black people into diners because it makes white folks uncomfortable is not trampling on the rights of white folks.
And your whole argument seems to hinge on this idea that trans women aren't women, I have less testosterone than my girlfriend by far.
Even if I was in shape she would still kick my ass if we were the same size.
And thankfully, in sports where size matters, they have weight divisions.
So it's not a red herring and nobody is being disingenuous but you. You are transphobic and you need to actually look at the science before you start spouting off opinions about other people trampling on my rights because a fucking bully told them that if they didn't, he was going to take their money.
Because that is what is happening here. No students are complaining about participating in sports with trans women. Donald Trump is just picked my community as a target for his vile hatred while he destroys our country.
And here you are defending