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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 168 points 1 month ago (57 children)

Is the first one Disney? If so, 2 of 3 are confirmed Nazis, so yeah, huge red flag. Steve Jobs was just a dick, right?

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Was Disney a Nazi? I know he wasn't a good person, but I hadn't heard that. Is there any further reading you could link me? A cursory search didn't find much other than the fact that he seems totally cool working with anti-semites, which isn't really the same thing. If he was, I'd like to know, and if not, we should be more precise with our language so when we call out people like Elon it means something.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago (7 children)

we should be more precise with our language

I swear this exact phrase is an FBI plot to get people to doubt everything they see and hear.

"That school shooter was a nazi" "Well, we ought to be careful when saying things like that."
"Elon Musk is a nazi." "And what has he done exactly? You know, it's important to be precise. The story of the boy who cried wolf is that ..."
"Hitler was a nazi." "Well, he was in charge of the nazis. Specificity is really important when handling delicate matters like these, you know."

Not to pick on you specifically, but I am so fucking tired of hearing it.

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I totally get that, but there's a big difference between "this guy did a Nazi salute" or "this guy idolized Hitler" and "this guy worked with anti-semites." I don't think we should be using the word Nazi to mean "racist person," as Nazi is pretty specific. I certainly hope I don't come across as making any of the above arguments. Ford was a Nazi. Elon is a Nazi. I haven't seen evidence suggesting Disney is the same, and I think it would be irresponsible to turn Nazi into a generic pejorative for "bigot."

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

but there’s a big difference between “this guy did a Nazi salute” or “this guy idolized Hitler” and “this guy worked with anti-semites.”

Umm... Is there?

If you're sitting at a table with 9 Nazis, then that's a table of 10 Nazis.

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I (a Jewish person) draw a distinction between antisemitism and Nazism. Nazis aren't just racist, they're fascist, with a specific set of beliefs. All I can verify is that Disney associated with racists in Hollywood willingly. I find it hard to believe that if Disney was a Nazi sympathizer, he would've produced so many anti-Nazi propaganda films. To give a good analogy, someone might be racist towards Palestinians and Arab people without being Zionist. That's a more specific belief that includes racism.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

To be clear, I have no idea what Walt is or isn't. I'm not making a claim there, haha.

it would be irresponsible to turn Nazi into a generic pejorative for "bigot."

I agree... especially if we're talking about historical figures who might be pretty far removed from the modern political climate.

But to be fair, there is a pretty direct connection between bigotry and nazis, modern or otherwise.

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