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Communism is no more extreme than capitalism. They just stand in opposition of one another. The red scare is back I guess.
I would say we have seen both extremes and we like neither and some people think a third alternative is "killing everyone else" can we not?
What are you on about with “red scare”? You can simply look at the poor attempts made in the name of communism to see how well that idea succeeds in practice. Simple solutions to complex issues never work. Communism is an extreme ideology based on the oversimplification of complex like every other form of populism.
Communism is not a simple solution, nor does it oversimplify the problem. What do you mean when you say this?
Well don’t you think it’s a bit simple to pin every single problem in the world on property rights and a conspiracy theory level class divide between proletariats and “bourgeoisie”? It’s ann exhausting ordeal to hear all these complaints when humanity has never been at a more advanced point than it is now despite all its flaws.
How on Earth is it a conspiracy theory to say that business owners and employees exist? What exists in your mind palace?
Plus, Marx notes that Capitalism is progressive compared with feudalism, but has come with its own new problems that Socialism resolves.
Are you serious? Do you not understand the concept that you can be an employee today and business owner tomorrow? How do you not understand the irony that suddenly once you start your own business you’re an exploitative devil and as long as you stay as an employee you’re somehow a better person? Don’t you realize what moronic baiting that is? Humanity never learns from populists it seems, whether it’s Trump or Lenin, it’s all the same.
Marx never for a single second suggested that Class is an immutable characteristic.
Oversimplification
The bible is also a long book, does that make it believable to you?
You said Communism was based on oversimplification, now you're saying it's suspicious for being long? Make up your mind.
You’re saying it’s not simplistic just because it has a lot of words. Please refer to my other post on why it’s Marxism is a ridiculous and frankly childish theory.
No, I'm saying it's not simplistic because I've read a lot of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and from many, many, many more Communist leaders and theorists since them.
Right and you keep equating reading a lot of material as a basis of complexity, which it simply isn’t. The quantity of theory does not equate to quality. Once again please refer to my previous point about the Bible or the absolute plethora of religious research that mankind has produced which does not lead to any kind of truth and has lacks any kind of complexity other than God is the greatest and do as he says. One can pretend to find complexities as much as they want but the outcome is always the same, a useless fiction.
There is nothing remarkable about Marxism other than a way to create a whole new set of problems. There is literally zero concrete evidence of the supposed benefits of Marxism other than for redistribution of power from one set of assholes to another, I think we’ve seen that enough times at this point.
I don't equate quantity to complexity, you have simply not made a genuine point on why it oversimplifies besides vibe. I have explained that I experienced the complexity of theory because I read it regularly, and you haven't.
Marxism is remarkable because it's true, and is the guiding ideology of several existing Socialist states that came with massive improvements for the Working Class, including the soon to be world's largest economy (already there if adjusting for PPP) and eradicator of poverty, the PRC.
There was a large Poverty Eradication Program that was successfully completed. I really like The Metamorphosis of Yuangudui to show just how massive that campaign was for the people it impacted, it's really heartwarming.
Further, "Brainwashing" as a concept does not exist. People license themselves to accept whatever they think is useful to them. See "Brainwashing" and Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of "Brainwashing."