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"and yet you participate in society, hm, curious". You're doing the meme, my man. You're doing the entire meme that is also making a point.
You should move to a mixed use walkable neighbourhood.
You should learn more vegan recipes.
You should buy durable goods and learn how to maintain them.
Doing these things will make your life better in many ways. And you're going to have to do them anyway after the revolution comes and bans oil and habitat destruction.
And I don't want to hear the poverty argument. Rice, beans, pasta, bread, and potatoes are the cheapest foods. Not meat. Get your protein from legumes and your B12 from tablets, it's cheaper. I bought a sewing kit for 3 dollars and hair scissors for 7. Now I buy less clothes and no haircuts.
The lifestyle of fast cars, red meat, and cheap junk is convenient and fun, it's not responsible. Choose responsibility. Don't pay oil barons thousands of dollars for garbage you don't need.
How about other meat like chickens? I raise my own and kill them when they get old. I feel pretty vindicated in that my little system is pretty sustainable. I do sometimes supplement it with store chicken, but try to go for locally sourced meat when I do.
Over half of all humans as of 2020 live in cities.
Cities on average (at least in the US) have 5-15% green space compared to their built environment.
Sustainability considers not only environment and health, but also the welfare of the birds themselves.
Free range is thought to be the highest standard of welfare for bird raising. The USDA doesn't have a definition for how much acreage is the bare minimum to reach this status, but the EU defines this as 1 bird per 43 sq ft. This is compared to many plants that require 36 sq ft or less to grow.
All of this is to say that the majority of people don't have good access to sufficient land to raise their own chickens, let alone other animals for consumption or even vegetables as with community gardens.
If we want to be more sustainable with our food production, we need to look at how how our food systems work and how we can better integrate them with the places we live in via zoning and urban design. That mentality lends itself better to plant-based farming, which is more sustainable overall compared to the convention.
your last link depends on poore-nemecek 2018, a paper with dubious methodology.
How is it dubious
it's a meta study of LCA studies, but the guidance for LCA studies is that they cannot be combined because they have disparate methodologies.
Respectfully thats a terrifying stat, as someone with a passionate dislike of cities!
Yeah my birds freerange. My land was cheap enough I think most people who rent in a major city could afford it without much issue.
We farm vegetables too, but besides the butchering aspect the chicken farming is honestly easier to automate, set and forget.
I feel like a goal may be to teach people how to get back in touch with more natural, unchanged land, and how to live in sync with it, instead of making more people reliant on urbanization and manmade supply chains. My little local community may not be as efficient or provide as much output as a suburb or city block, but we have displaced less local fauna and help each other with maintaining what we have instead of buying new products. Its a different way of looking at things, but it is rewarding in its own right.