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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

but lets not pretend that she was anything but right-wing

She's part of an organization that regularly votes for liberal policies and against conservative policies and regularly speaks out against right-wing politics. Can you give some examples of why you believe she is right-wing?

She campaigned on “Genocide is good, and we should keep bombing children, and I love my guns”,

It's hard to take you seriously when you make emotional comments like this. Pretty sure here in reality she didn't run on "genocide is good". More like "Israel is our most important ally in the Middle East, so this is complicated".

then campaigned with the Cheneys

If some right-wing mega stars want to come out in opposition to Trump and what their party has become, I'm not entirely against that. Did it end up making the difference? No. So what? How is it hard right to get someone on your enemy's team to speak out against your enemy? Is everything hard right to you? Is hard right in the room with you right now?

doesn’t mean Biden’s wasn’t shitty.

Again, you haven't done your homework. Put down Lemmy and start looking into the economic stats. Our economy was recovering well under the Biden administration. By all metrics. Which was impressive since a world wide pandemic destroyed supply lines, among other things.

I did do my homework.

It sounds like you're just nitpicking things he didn't do for you and not really acknowledging all the things he did. Which you can, and probably will do, with every president. Like student loans. No other president has forgiven student loans. He did. For many. Despite the Supreme Court blocking him at every turn. But in your eyes he just failed at student loans because he didn't forgive as much as you wanted him to. Like you think he can just do whatever without any opposition from Congress or the SC. Spoiler alert, no president accomplishes everything you want them to. The one we have now will not accomplish ANYTHING you want him to.

Of course Americans don’t know shit about politics or statistics or legislation. That’s how politics works.

Lol. What? Do you think every electorate on this planet is as ignorant as the American electorate? Of course not. That's why other first world countries have things like universal healthcare and paternal leave and mandatory paid vacation. What planet do you live on? Why are you making excuses for people failing to do their civic duty?

But Americans know that they are getting screwed, and they saw Biden in office while they were getting screwed.

Welcome to every presidency, ever. So you're acknowledging that the American electorate is so ignorant and irresponsible, that if everything isn't the way they want it, and they feel like they're getting screwed in some way (which they will always feel), they'll either throw their hands up and not vote, or vote in such a way as to ensure someone LESS competent is able to step in? So you're agreeing with me that the fault lies with the American people for not informing themselves responsibly? That political candidates have to treat Americans like idiot children instead of grown ass responsible adults? Whose fault does that sound like?

but instead she ran a campaign that addressed the concerns of the rich, and the concerns of the right-wing.

Can you provide some examples, instead of just your feelings? Because I remember her eventually laying out her economic plan and how it benefitted the average person. Something Trump utterly failed to do. Keep in mind that this isn't just about one candidate sucking off every last American for their vote. There's also another candidate you have to take into account, and this one was a FELON RAPIST, so maybe Americans should take into account that they're not just voting FOR someone, but AGAINST someone.

I saw her run an absolutely terrible campaign.

I saw her run a campaign INFINITELY better than her opponent. You know, since it actually included policy. Whereas the other guy simply said "I have concepts of plans". The American people voted for a guy that straight up said he didn't have a plan instead of a woman that laid her plan out. And you're over here defending the American people and trying to deflect fault from them onto the ONLY candidate with a fucking plan? Please.

The only thing we agree on is that Democrats need to do a better job listening to their constituents going forward. But this last election is 100% on the American people. They failed. Because the differences in competency between the candidates (and parties) was so insane that for things to turn out the way they did is absolutely the American electorate's fault. This was the easiest decision between two options EVER. And Americans failed.

[–] piefood@feddit.online 2 points 3 hours ago

For all of the things you complained about in this post, I already literally put in examples and explanations to prove the points. If you aren't going to take this discussion seriously and read what I posted, then I'm not going to continue.

Come back when you want to have a good faith discussion.