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TranscriptA threads post saying "There has never been another nation ever that has existed much beyond 250 years. Not a single one. America's 250th year is 2025. The next 4 years are gonna be pretty interesting considering everything that's already been said." It has a reply saying "My local pub is older than your country".

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[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 0 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I feel this isn't quite the same though. When a country has a complete change in politics/ruling of the nation, then it really isn't the same country anymore. (French Revolution ending in 1799 shouldn't be still considered the same country, even though the name is the same. England still allowed the royal family to have power over the people and politics until 1957 so wasn't a "full" democracy, Bavaria I became part of Germany in 1949, etc....) The US has for its entire time listed has always been an elected government that followed the constitution, meaning it's been the same country.

[–] Denjin 16 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Total rubbish. In the 1700s only landowners could vote. Truly universal suffrage wasn't enshrined until 1965, so by your reckoning America is only 60 years old.

Changes of government don't mean an entirely new country, there's continuity like how France refers to the 1st republic or the current 5th republic. It's still France.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Changes of government don’t mean an entirely new country...

Yeah, it kinda does. The words "Country' and "Nation" aren't full synonyms even though people tend to use them interchangeably. A a Country is a political entity while a Nation is focused on the collective identity and shared values of its people.

In short the Nation of France is old while the Country of France is much younger.

The definitions honestly feel backward to me but I'm not the person in charge of these things.

[–] Denjin 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's just semantics, not any practical distinction.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Do you feel there is no "practical distinction" between 1730 France and 1930 France?

It's like saying there's no practical distinction between Red and Scarlet. The fact that they are different is why there are separate words. Its the same with Country and Nation.

[–] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 days ago

Pointless argument. Is there no difference between the US in 1776 and now? Every country is changing constantly. Because they're full of people.

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