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A threads post saying "There has never been another nation ever that has existed much beyond 250 years. Not a single one. America's 250th year is 2025. The next 4 years are gonna be pretty interesting considering everything that's already been said." It has a reply saying "My local pub is older than your country".
I believe the ottoman empire (1299–1922) would like a word.
England would like a word. It formed in 927 AD. That means it is 1,098 years old.
i think the first poster misunderstood a quote and I can't reproduce it anymore either. it was something about no empire lasted more then 250 years? or no government form or something among these lines? it was not about the country disapearing in name or anything, but that it damatically changes in one way or another like completly changing the form of government
I remember it as most empires collapse before or around 250 years. If I remember the quote correctly it mentioned most not all, and empire not nation or country.
Even that's a very obvious fallacy though
Depends on the condition being measured. I've heard similar claims about democracies. I know the OG democracy in Athens Greece lasted about 250 years. I'm not aware of another democracy that existed longer than the US .. But I'm not an expert in the field, so i welcome examples of longer lived democracies.
I think the US is the longest modern democracy, but it's a very narrow margin comparatively speaking - it's only got something like 30 years on Norway and the Netherlands, which are vastly more stable
Is it though? Do you still have one?
I'm not American, so it took me a while to parse wtf you were on about!
There's a certain irony that there are a couple of cases of "my local pub is older than your entire country" in the country in question. For example the White Horse Tavern in Newport, RI.
Who did the US get independence from, buddy?
The Kingdom of Great Britain, which ceased to exist in 1800 and lasted less than a century.
Use the same definition (unchanged political institutions) and tell me how long the Roman Empire lasted.
Best I can find is about 500 years.
You have to add all these together to include coups and hostile takeovers or divide it to hilariously short periods.
The was also a kingdom period in Rome's earlier times. But that's ancient history, am i rite?
(I'll let myself out)
Well there’s that… but these people are free from the restraints of logic.
Egypt, anyone?
I once read that we are closer to Cleopatra's time than Cleopatra was to the building of the pyramids. Weve got 250 years under our belts, while Egypt had thousands.
Wait till these people find out about Japan.
I mean sure they've still got a royal line, but the royal family wasn't always in power. Like is it fair to say that the Tokugawa government is the same as the meiji restoration government, is the same as the modern government?
Like is it fair to say that the Tokugawa government is the same as the meiji restoration government, is the same as the modern government?
The Edo Period alone spanned 268 years. The Heian Period nearly made it to 400.
Even if you evaluate these as distinct, they individually outstip the US.
That's absolutely true! I just didn't want it to seem like Japan was some sort monolith of unbroken rule.
And fucking China.
I used to be in the record business, and worked for a time for a Chinese record company who was releasing indigenous folk and classical music.
Western music traces back about 1000-1200 years, while Chinese music has an unbroken written musical tradition going back several thousands of years.
China gets a bit fuzzier in between dynasties and revolutions. But there are definitely multiple post-Unification dynasties that lasted longer than 250 years.
Rome lasted for 2,000 years because I consider the Byzantines as true Romans.
So did they, "byzantine empire" is a modern conceit
While the US is pretty old as a state, most societies have a direct continuation from one state to the next. It's not like when France overthrew its monarchy they stopped being France or seeing themselves as French. So they may see their continuous history as much older than the current state, with the Kingdom of France going back to 987.
The US doesn't have a continuous history prior to 1776 because they mostly come from Britain but they denounce their British heritage and they settled in NA but also denounce the heritage of the local peoples there. So the average American sees their entire history as starting at 1776, maybe a little bit further back to include the initial colonies and that's about it.
So the average American sees their entire history as starting at 1776
Well yeah. That's kind of the way words work. Of course there was history before that with England. Which had history before them from France, German, Rome, etc. If we, US people, are talking about before 1776 with the colonies, that time is generally referred to as "Colonial History"
When the French stopped being a monarchy, it's gov't changed, the rules of law changed, it was effectively a different country. If a group of friends play football, then the next time they play basketball, they are playing different sports. Same people though.
You guys think it's bad reading all this online?
Try living here...
I bet outside of the US they have a very different perspective of what it's like living here right now.
Specifically, the fact that things like some of our largest protests ever aren't even being covered inside the states. There are huge public displays thousands and thousands of people being completely ignored by media. I wonder what else we're not being allowed to see here.