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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One thing that tells me that most people don't understand history is people's defense of Germany not being antisemitic anymore is that "they support Israel".

Like, the state that planned to ship off all Jews to Madagascar as one of their "solutions" to the "Jewish Question" is in support of a state that says it is "the only safe place for Jews?"

It's an entire country that learned literally all the wrong lessons from its history. The AFD and even "liberal" parties in Germany are using "defense of Jews" (when they really mean defense of Israel) as a reason to oppress and otherize immigrants within their country. Literally the same "they don't belong here" shit the Nazis did.

They absolutely will turn around and start oppressing Jews as "nongerman" as soon as they are done. Do not be fooled by these fascists lies. They will have zero concern for Antisemitism as soon as they are done using it to opress anyone that is critical of Israel.

The AFD defends Israel just long enough until it becomes acceptable to ask "well, why can't we have our own Ethnostate like Israel does?". This is absolutely where this is going. These people believe in a German Ethnostate. They are taking the steps that can to get there. And that begins with using immigrants as their target first. But it won't end there. It never does.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that Germany learned "all the wrong lessons", there was probably more of an effort to critically examine history in Germany than in most other countries who still revere the times when their own atrocities happened.

However, Germany did two things wrong, they learned an overly specific lesson "never again should Germans do something this horrible to Jews" rather than "never again should any group or individual do something this horrible to any other group or individual" and the emphasis was also often more on remembrance rather than examining how it started and how we can prevent the same thing from happening again.

Meanwhile most other countries seems to have skipped even that little bit of effort and gone with the comforting "look how evil Germans are, this could happen in our country of good people (TM)".

I would say better effort than most countries but still not enough to push it all the way through to the lesson all of humanity needed to learn.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Germany did two things wrong, they learned an overly specific lesson “never again should Germans do something this horrible to Jews” rather than “never again should any group or individual do something this horrible to any other group or individual”

Nope, we're very much aware of the distinction. The first foreign deployment of the Bundeswehr was based on the latter.

The AfD surge is about the other parties' structural inability to deal with the actual issues people face, in particular economic uncertainty. Feelings of political powerlessness. It's accelerationist shit.