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Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for 'hundreds of thousands' of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza

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[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 21 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

So, the Nazi’s sent Jewish people to concentration camps, did horrible things to their children (especially twins), gassed their relatives, displaced them… But they are now doing the same thing to Palestinians? I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.

[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 14 points 20 hours ago

I'm Jewish and I don't get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past.

The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors.

[–] thescrivener@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But the nation isn't stopping him. He's been voted in how many times. It isn't like the people have no blame.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I've seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 0 points 20 hours ago

Point taken. And, thank you for the reminder.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago) (1 children)

I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.

you should really have a side by now.

A lot of americans say they "dont have a side" while they vote for people who ship more bombs. When they pull the voting lever for a candidate who says they are going to murder if they get elected, voters do share responsibility for the murders.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”.

So you should really have a side by now.

[–] Monomate@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don't have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again.

[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago

A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

So, women and children, and hospitals, and first aid people are expendable. OK. This world is filled with evil, horrible people. And history will never be learned. Oh, and is Trump going to be turning the displaced area into a resort?

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social -2 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Zionism predates the holocaus and modern fascism.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So is this an argument for Hamas or Israel.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Is that an argument for a defence attorney defending a murderer? So, the murderer was hurt, and they are justified? And better yet, let’s hurt children.

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It isn't a defense at all. You said you didn't understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it.

Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change.