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US approves potential $500m sale of military equipment to Taiwan (www.aljazeera.com)

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[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

I got into an argument with a guy on Reddit because he kept insisting that Taiwan was a sovereign nation and I kept telling him that Taiwan does not view Taiwan as a sovereign nation. At one point he asked me if we sold weapons to China and when I said definitionally yes he lost his shit.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

A June 2013 poll conducted by DPP showed an overwhelming 77.6% consider themselves as Taiwanese.[140] On the independence-unification issue, the survey found that 25.9 percent said they support unification, 59 percent support independence, and 10.3 percent prefer the "status quo." When asked whether Taiwan and China are parts of one country, the party said the survey found 78.4 percent disagree, while 15 percent agreed. As for whether Taiwan and China are two districts in one country, 70.6 percent disagree, while 22.8 percent agree

Taiwan #1

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

Change the question to: “would you die for Taiwanese independence?” And watch the numbers drop.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

So mainland China is not independent then?

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

They have the mainland and everyone recognizes them as China.

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

As does Taiwan to me, and right back at you comrade.

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?

And I’m the one being pedantic?

Sorry to say but independence isn’t a vibe.

It’s not a vibe based analysis.

[-] randint@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?

They cannot claim themselves independent or else China would attack. Don't you think it's kind of ludicrous that a country can force another "region" to not be independent by threatening them?

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What are your opinions on the civil war in the US?

Should the confederacy have been allowed to leave without threat of force?

[-] randint@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I don't really care about the history of the US.

[-] diablexical@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

that doesn’t even consider itself independent

How does it not consider itself independent?

[-] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Article 4 of the constitution:

The territory of the Republic of China according to its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by resolution of the National Assembly.

Which means they're not independent of the rest of China. They also claim parts of Japan, Korea, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Russia, and according to Vietnam parts of Vietnam. Their territorial claims aren't ancient by the way, they were revised in 2002, when they accepted Mongolia's sovereignty.

[-] randint@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

@diablexical@lemm.ee was not actually claiming that China is not independent. They are trying prove that Taiwan is independent through reductio ad absurdium. Basically, they try to derive something absurd (in this case China not being independent) from your claims.

[-] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thus “pedantic nonsense”

You can’t prove independence through logical contradiction. It’s a state of foreign recognition. China clearly won the war enough to be recognized. Taiwan did not.

Independence isn’t a vibe.