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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

https://climateadaptationplatform.com/who-has-the-bigger-carbon-footprint-rural-or-urban-dwellers/

Even though city-dwellers may not see a starry night for a long time, rural residents still emit more carbon emissions than their slick city counterparts.

The BBC article agrees. When carbon emissions are compared between residents of rural and urban areas, the former appear to have a higher carbon footprint.

Homes in large towns or apartments in cities tend to be smaller and denser, thus easier to heat. People in cities drive short distances to work or may even commute to work, but residents in rural areas tend to drive long distances for work or leisure.

[–] AntY@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Your link refers to a BBC article which I read. It compares cities with other cities, making the argument that the bigger cities produce less carbon dioxide emissions than smaller cities. The source of data here is a bit mixed but mainly it relies on governmental data for cities of 135,000 people or more. It's hardly rural when there are high-rises. It's also a bit unclear on how emissions are calculated. It includes industrial emissions for the place where the goods are produced, not where the goods are consumed. Generally, consumption is equal to emissions. If a millionaire flies in a private jet, the emissions shouldn't be attributed to those who make the plane or pump oil out of the ground. It's the millionaire who is consuming the plane and fuel that is the polluter.

The BBC article isn't written by a journalist. Its written by a Paul Swinney who "is director of policy and research at Centre for Cities, a think tank dedicated to improving the performance of UK city economies". The article should be viewed as an opinion piece.

In the other source, WNYC Studios, there's a professor Cindy Eisenhower who's being interviewed. She says, and I quote, that "in reality we're finding that -- many studies emerging that would suggest that if we account for all the things that people buy, uhm, that cities oftentimes have higher footprints despite the efficiency gains that relates to living in really dense settlements." Listen to the interview that your source links to at https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/urban-versus-rural-carbon-emissions

This is a great example of why secondary sources shouldn't be trusted without verifying what they say. The author of the article you linked clearly misunderstood the interview. What the professor is saying is exactly what my municipality found: that even if people living in rural areas have higher transport emissions in their day-to-day life, a single trip abroad by plane may produce as much emissions as a full year of traveling to work by car. The direct transportation emissions in rural areas are completely offset by higher consumption and overhead emissions in cities.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 8 hours ago

Living in a city doesn't make someone travel on a plane. That's a correlation, not a causation. If you lived in a city and didn't fly on planes or consume other wasteful luxuries, like drag, then you'd have even lower emissions.